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    You've FINALLY learned how to properly quote, I'm proud!
    No, really, I am.

    well, facing it all by myself isnt exactly the best idea either. like ive said, it has been going well for a week or so now, but today my past (depression?) overwhelmed me again, and i wasnt able to eat my meal today because of it. it felt very pleasant to be alive again, until the point where i had to eat. -.-
    I’m no authority in psychology and even if I were, you’d never listen to me anyway. You rarely if ever, listen to anyone when it comes to pointing out things you’re in denial about.

    Not gonna say what I think of this, it should be obvious enough. You’d shut out my diagnosis so I’ll let it be.

    heres a one very infj'ish thing about me: my whole childhood, i felt like no one understood me. when i met my first infj at age 13 - 16 something, i felt like i was understood the first time in my life. if youve red infj forums, youll know how many times they mention like its the only place where they feel understood, lols. these days i dont feel like people dont understand me, but its the other way now, that i dont understand myself.
    You’re not an INFJ by any stretch of imagination. Nothing will ever convince me of that. Maybe in another life.

    and that ability to transform anything negative into beautiful is most likely my 4w3 fix, which i am VVEEERRY lazy at using.. =|
    I don’t have a 4w3 fix an yet have the same ability. I thought you were very disciplined? Don’t slack of on that.

    it anyways seems pretty pointless, though.. its fun, and nice to have strong connections to other people. i guess it even helps me stay sane. but i guess the problem isnt that, that the real problem is, that i find everything pointless.
    In order to connect to people you’d have to be open to that. And that implies seeing a point in it. You were doomed from the beginning.

    i do like to talk a lot, unless my emotions are a mess.
    I was under the impression people didn’t want to see the real you and that you faked happy all the time. What kind of conversations do you have then? Rhetorical question.

    usually people come to view me whatever way i am to them, and then they get stuck into the idea that that is who i am.. -.-
    You’re guilty of the same. Of course you won’t ever agree with it since you’re convinced you actually know more about people then they know about themselves or you.

    my enfp friend did that once to me. was she expecting me to call her or something? =O..
    i think it was just sympathy.
    Probably.

    Of course it was.

    and i usually always assume, that if i feel some way, theres absolutely nothing i can do to change it.

    do you think thinkers could be so irrational?

    i also think my emotions are all imagination. that none of it is real. that it shouldnt be taken seriously at all.
    Talking to you seems pointless because of that.

    Undoubtedly.

    I don’t know what to say on that except you should do therapy. Your mind it’s only a third of you, but you see it as your whole.

    why do i even bother to live?
    i dont know. i guess i hope it will help me find something? at least im becoming more aware of my irrationslity.
    Now you’re sounding suicidal.

    You guess? Not good enough.

    also, istp's care about what others think of them. they get all paranoid about that stuff. im the kind of person who has never sacrificed a thought to such matters.
    I’ve never came across an ISTP who gave a rat’s ass about anyone else’s opinion on them. In fact, it’s one of their biggest characteristics. Not gonna discuss on that, it’ll make no difference.

    And you don’t care about others opinions so much you’ve stated several times you conform to what they expect of you and fake happy.

    Right.

    Not gonna quote you rant on ISTPs love for sports, but did I ever say I thought you were an ISTP? No.

    commonalities: they are all P doms. so dont know how it would manifest in a J dom.. like, if we speculated that im an intp 4w3. and could you imagine a vengeful intp? thats like seriously lame! =D
    It’s actually quite cute the way you won’t give up on this MBTI/Enneagram correlation thing. Don’t let me spoil you’re fun!

    And as a matter of fact, all the three INTPs I’ve ever personally met are vengeful and admit that.

    [B]my thoughts on intp's is, that they first appear extremely stupid, then they also make stupid conclusions[/B/.. and if, if i can get through that phase, then ill see that they actually have some pretty valuable thoughts i can use. however, that applies only on unhealthy ones. the healthy ones actually impress me.
    You seem to think that of basically everyone.

    perhaps a 4w3'ish thing youve noticed me doing: when i get an idea of an identity that i could be, i get all excited and start justifying it, all wrong.. <.<
    How could I NOT notice it? It’s all you do.

    (irrelated: i have this constant urge to assume things. i just want answers, instantly, lols.. and i see i have to resist it if i want real answers.)
    Yes, do that.

    when i met this crazy entp 5w4, she was blabbering all nonsense, totally lost the touch with reality. and as i waited for her to realize that shes speaking nonsense, all i could think to myself was "wow. id hate to be like that." and the irony is… i am lost.
    You’re one to talk. I’m actually laughing out loud.

    …that’s exactly how you come across most of the times.

    the ennea i hated most thinking of myself was 9w1. it made me feel so, so empty.
    That’s because you’re maniac stage goes directly against 9’s basic core need.

    i think its funny how we misinterprete each other. like the istj i mentioned whom you referred as my "friend". he was the opposite of that. but i didnt see relevance in it, so i couldnt bother to correct it. well, perhaps the relveance is, that you might learn to not assume too quickly?
    I don’t. I find it exhausting which is why this is my last one.

    There is no relevance to that. He is what he is no matter his relation to you. Friend or not, it changes nothing.

    HA HA HA HA…no you do that first, then talk to me.

    well, at one post, you agreed with me being an Ni + Se, as well as Ti + Fe. you also said im a thinker, and theres no way i could be an istp, so estp is the only one left. (uh, did i write this same thing alredy, or did i imagine i wrote it? =S)
    ...I can’t even.

    I’m sure you understand the concept of taking every possibility into account and arriving to different conclusions because of new evidence being presented. I’ve never said that was my final analysis, it was what I thought at that time.

    i always knew that i have this immense pain inside me. no idea why. if i dont know the why, then how can i repair something which originates from an unknown source? impossible equation.
    The source of your pain is not your Enneagram or MBTI type. You won’t find it while searching for them. Knowing those 4 letters won’t help in this case.

    I do have an idea of what it might be, it’s actually right under your nose, but it’s up to you to find it.

    for the record, i appreciate youre help. im such an idiot, and im sorry for that, but im trying to change..
    i do learn things from you.
    I would gladly talk to you forever if I saw any progress, but you’ve shown more interest in escaping yourself and proving me wrong.

    Change is good, for me too. I actually have learned things from this exchanges, so it’s not a total loss.

    That’s the most humble thing you’ve said so far.

    Anyways, do you realize this thread isn’t the right place to do what we’ve been doing? We’ve been out of topic for pages.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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    [QUOTE=Dancing_Queen;2126916]You've FINALLY learned how to properly quote, I'm proud!
    No, really, I am.

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    well, facing it all by myself isnt exactly the best idea either. like ive said, it has been going well for a week or so now, but today my past (depression?) overwhelmed me again, and i wasnt able to eat my meal today because of it. it felt very pleasant to be alive again, until the point where i had to eat. -.-[QUOTE]

    I’m no authority in psychology and even if I were, you’d never listen to me anyway. You rarely if ever, listen to anyone when it comes to pointing out things you’re in denial about.
    Not gonna say what I think of this, it should be obvious enough. You’d shut out my diagnosis so I’ll let it be.

    [QUOTE]heres a one very infj'ish thing about me: my whole childhood, i felt like no one understood me. when i met my first infj at age 13 - 16 something, i felt like i was understood the first time in my life. if youve red infj forums, youll know how many times they mention like its the only place where they feel understood, lols. these days i dont feel like people dont understand me, but its the other way now, that i dont understand myself.

    You’re not an INFJ by any stretch of imagination. Nothing will ever convince me of that. Maybe in another life.



    I don’t have a 4w3 fix an yet have the same ability. I thought you were very disciplined? Don’t slack of on that.



    In order to connect to people you’d have to be open to that. And that implies seeing a point in it. You were doomed from the beginning.









    Probably.

    Of course it was.



    Talking to you seems pointless because of that.

    Frequently.


    Now you’re sounding suicidal.

    You guess? Not good enough.



    Right.

    Not gonna quote you rant on ISTPs love for sports, but did I ever say I thought you were an ISTP? No.



    It’s actually quite cute the way you won’t give up on this MBTI/Enneagram correlation thing. Don’t let me spoil you’re fun!




    You seem to think that of basically everyone.



    How could I NOT notice it? It’s all you do.



    Yes, do that.



    You’re one to talk. I’m actually laughing out loud.

    …that’s exactly how you come across most of the times.



    That’s because you’re maniac stage goes directly against 9’s basic core need.



    I don’t. I find it exhausting which is why this is my last one.

    There is no relevance to that. He is what he is no matter his relation to you. Friend or not, it changes nothing.

    HA HA HA HA…no you do that first, then talk to me.



    ...I can’t even.

    I’m sure you understand the concept of taking every possibility into account and arriving to different conclusions because of new evidence being presented. I’ve never said that was my final analysis, it was what I thought at that time.



    I do have an idea of what it might be, it’s actually right under your nose, but it’s up to you to find it.



    Change is good, for me too. I actually have learned things from this exchanges, so it’s not a total loss.

    That’s the most humble thing you’ve said so far.

    Anyways do you realize these thread isn’t the right place to do what we’ve been doing? We’ve been out of topic for pages.
    I was under the impression people didn’t want to see the real you and that you faked happy all the time. What kind of conversations do you have then? Rhetorical question.
    the emotionless ones end up with me feeling very dissatisfied and frustrated, cause im not able to learn a thing from them.
    other than that, its mostly me showing just my happy feelings. (which means it lacks depth, because im not happy at all, but i can feel happy. although feeling happy doesnt satisfy me at all. because its so flat. -.-)

    on the infj thing: i red some type dynamics, which make hell a lot sense that im an infj. and my thought process, even though i wouldnt like to admit it at all, is all magical like it is for infj's. (which i hate of myself..)

    i was contemplating again on my enneagram, and i think ive gained some new insight into myself:
    i have a very strong need to learn. its superego. but i most of the times do it due wrong motivation: instant gratification, which is e7 thing. meaning 5w6 disintegrating to 7. im learning to direct that strong need to learn from impulsive learning to patient learning. it also includes emotional expressions, so i wouldnt come off as all melodramatic and lacking of depth. i think the melodrama is cool, but.. just, waste of time.

    ive had some 4w3 integrated moments, like i mentioned the happy moment which lack depth.. but they lack depth cause my most likely primary ennea 5w6 is on the verge of 7, making me very superficial even if i can integrate my fix.

    i think you migthve noticed that. =)

    also, i think im coming to the conclusion, that every other type than infj _really_ sucks at typing people. the generalisations you make, saying only thinkers would say some things, is just no way reliable. ti people in general consider their thoughts more relevant to their identity even if feelers. look at enfj's, they define themselves by their thinking. and ti inferiors. how do enfj's define people? by labels. labels of _thoughts_. because they _think_ someone is some way if they act this and that. ive also met an esfj who desperately tried to be an intellectual by using complex words, despite the fact she sounded like a retard.
    "You’re guilty of the same. Of course you won’t ever agree with it since you’re convinced you actually know more about people then they know about themselves or you."
    actually i gain my insight into myself by asking how people perceive me, cause they see me much clearer than i myself. then i piece all those observations together to make sense.

    infjs and enfps are very similar, we get same conclusions, from opposite realms. meaning, you actually are able to understand yourself, and others through it, while infj's the reverse way.

    I don’t know what to say on that except you should do therapy. Your mind it’s only a third of you, but you see it as your whole.
    i know that. i used to rely on my mind alone in the past, since i had zero confidence in my feelings and initiative. now i got the tables turned, and im recovering that mind again.

    I’ve never came across an ISTP who gave a rat’s ass about anyone else’s opinion on them. In fact, it’s one of their biggest characteristics. Not gonna discuss on that, it’ll make no difference.

    And you don’t care about others opinions so much you’ve stated several times you conform to what they expect of you and fake happy.
    you and i apparently have a different definition of thought. look at how the istp's start VISIBLY shaking if you think bad of them. they are keen to read if your thinking bad of them. of course, doesnt apply on healthy ones.

    well, people punish me if i dont fake happy.. you wouldnt know what its like to be an fe. everyone expects you to always have a happy face.

    And as a matter of fact, all the three INTPs I’ve ever personally met are vengeful and admit that.
    that was a speculation, and in that case, it would make no sense that im an intp 4w3, since 4w3's are vengeful, and if intp's too.. im not. possibly a trait of being a five.

    The source of your pain is not your Enneagram or MBTI type. You won’t find it while searching for them. Knowing those 4 letters won’t help in this case.
    ive observed integrated 5w6's having similar, if not exact same kind of pain i have. isnt that a correlation, and if so, you dont think i could use that as a guideline?

    it would make sense, that ive deprived my w4 of 5w6, meaning lack of imagination. and this lack has deprived my life of any fulfillment.

    also, unhealthy infj's are known for being cold, emotionless. isnt that exactly what i mostly am? when i look at people, i feel nothing. its as if they dont exist. i can only see that theres a human, but i cant get any connection. unless i have one of those rare emotional moments.

    I would gladly talk to you forever if I saw any progress, but you’ve shown more interest in escaping yourself and proving me wrong.
    you and me both, you make far too many generalisations. i guess it would be good, if you made them correctly. (yeah i know what your thinking now, "hypocrite", and i guess thats right. but then, so are you.)

    and if you want to end this, then oki, cya! =)
    healthiness is all about appreciating other peoples inferior function. its like the sore spot no one ever notices, but we desperately wish they did, and if you focus on doing that, youll have many friends. and also learn to appreciate your own inferior function, others wont find it stupid if you show them how cool it is.

    INTJ 4w3 Sp Sx. (i dont believe in tritype. i do believe in learning traits from others.)

    mistakes happen. expect them, and grow from them. look for them, and avoid them.

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    I spoke too soon. Back to the post format from hell, I see.

    the emotionless ones end up with me feeling very dissatisfied and frustrated, cause im not able to learn a thing from them.
    other than that, its mostly me showing just my happy feelings. (which means it lacks depth, because im not happy at all, but i can feel happy. although feeling happy doesnt satisfy me at all. because its so flat. -.-)
    So you admit you don’t wanna be happy because it doesn’t satisfy you. At least we’re clear on that and I can’t stop giving advices in that direction.

    on the infj thing: i red some type dynamics, which make hell a lot sense that im an infj. and my thought process, even though i wouldnt like to admit it at all, is all magical like it is for infj's. (which i hate of myself..)
    I refuse to comment on the INFJ issue, but yeah, it’s clear you hate yourself. Which is ironic, since you claim to suffer because other people hate the real you. When the only one we can be sure does that, it’s you.
    ive had some 4w3 integrated moments, like i mentioned the happy moment which lack depth.. but they lack depth cause my most likely primary ennea 5w6 is on the verge of 7, making me very superficial even if i can integrate my fix.

    i think you migthve noticed that. =)
    What I’ve noticed is that you have a totally individual logic. I guess the only one to ever be able to understand how you come to those conclusions is yourself. It makes no sense to anyone else.

    also, i think im coming to the conclusion, that every other type than infj _really_ sucks at typing people. the generalisations you make, saying only thinkers would say some things, is just no way reliable.
    And let me guess since you’re a MBTI typing genius, that means you’re right about being an INFJ! How logical!!!

    I guess that means every MBTI specialist on Earth it’s an INFJ. But since that would be impossible, you should replace them, no?

    Who needs a psychiatrist when there’s @Vilku? The one so skilled at self analysis but can’t take himself out of depression/maniac loops? The one who can accurately type anyone on Earth but can’t type himself to save his life.

    And it’s me who makes generalizations? ME?

    you and i apparently have a different definition of thought. look at how the istp's start VISIBLY shaking if you think bad of them. they are keen to read if your thinking bad of them. of course, doesnt apply on healthy ones.

    well, people punish me if i dont fake happy.. you wouldnt know what its like to be an fe. everyone expects you to always have a happy face.
    I can’t believe you’re using unhealthy people as an example of how a certain type would think or act. And you actually expect people to take you seriously.

    By your descriptions, you’re either Cinderella or David Copperfield. I also love how you keep on saying you fake happy because it’s what it’s expected and then turn heel and say you don’t care of what people think of you.

    that was a speculation, and in that case, it would make no sense that im an intp 4w3, since 4w3's are vengeful, and if intp's too.. im not. possibly a trait of being a five.
    JESUS, you’re impossible.

    I was talking about INTPs, not you. Why do you always assume everything I say it’s about you?

    I would never compare my INTP friends/acquaintances with you.

    you and me both, you make far too many generalisations. i guess it would be good, if you made them correctly. (yeah i know what your thinking now, "hypocrite", and i guess thats right. but then, so are you.)
    Amazing. Simply amazing. I make generalizations.

    No, actually what I do it’s correct you in your generalization mistakes by pointing actual accepted characteristics of type. But since you base your views on either unhealthy people you’ve met at a mental hospital while being an intern yourself or a few people you’ve met that you swear are of a certain type, I guess I can’t compete.

    You’re logic wins anytime.

    and if you want to end this, then oki, cya! =)
    Yes,we’re done.

    And just a quick tip: you may have problems with depression and mania, but your REAL trouble it’s with self image.

    You’re pathologically delusional.

    You eternally sees yourself as the victim of any situation and thinks too highly of your own capabilities while doubting anything that doesn’t sound like what you already know or feels good.

    We both know you’re able to justify anything to yourself and others. It’s a pity it’s exactly that need and ability that keeps you forever locked in this repetitive loop.

    I actually thought of sending you a very brief diagnosis, but there's no point since I make "incorrect generalizations". You'll always claim to be whatever you want to be and find ways to justify that.

    I’m unsubscribing from this thread, so if you wanna reply to this post, do it through private message or I won't see it.


    My best regards,
    Dancing Queen.
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    SX is sexual or intimate energy and instincts...to create. So the intimidating part is probably the side of the coin that can also destroy. Its the need/lust for intense experiences because we're like love warriors looking for a fight
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