I don't think I'm able do to spells per se, but I am capable of mentally attracting people whenever I want then to call me or drop at my house. And when I watch people bawling in person I can get the ball to move like I want it to.i used to be into it too, i also used to believe im a wizard and i.. can do spells. =]
well i still believe in all the same stuf, but i just think my current explanations are much better, less misleading, thus allowing me to be more efficient, which means im even better at it now.
There are other more interesting things of course, but you get the idea.
Now I'm curious.
I'm still in the process of writing it, but I'm not sure I'll end up posting it.whats your own analysis of me?
You seen keen on finding your time yourself, so maybe I should stop interfering.
Since I was about 8 years old I had people comment on my intelligence and praise me for it. In every school/social activity where we had to describe our classmates/friends the words people always wrote about me are "genius", brainiac" etc. I've always hated because they would write things like "funny", "pretty" and "cool" to define others.also one 5 thing: people have told me many times that i think alot, that im ingenious, nuclear phycisist and so on. i always dismissed these, because everyone thinks. it didnt make much sense at all why people would compliment me like that, considering its an univeral trait that everyone posesses. but i guess as it does seem like it, that im a 5w4, that my thoughts just come across as extra analytical in comparison to other peoples thoughts. i wasnt able to make any sense of those compliments, until now, once again someone omplimented me for my thinking, so i started to connect the dots to see why they do compliment me like that.
do you think their compliments might have basis in reality? meaning, could you see others complimenting me like that?
I hated it so much I came to resent my intelligence for a while, but I've realized it's a gift and that they were blind to not see past it, since in my adult life I usually receive the compliments I didn't as a child and a teenager. I know how it feels.
My specialty was never physics though, so I can't comment on that, but I'd say you sound fairly intelligent to me. And a compulsive thinker too .
Try it again, your technique doesn't work. The content of your posts are great, but it's still hard to read them.on the quote thing: i tried it once, but i couldnt make it work, so it frustrated me and i developed m own technique, by using quote symbols '"' to mark the other peoples text.
Totally relate to it, I feel the same."I don't think you understand what I said. Specific: I like blue vs General: I like cold colors.
You don't give me details sometimes and only talk in generals, that's why we have so many misunderstandings. Get it?
Your answer was totally unrelated, but illustrative. A trait like this can help indicate type "
complexity. i can enjoy pleasurous feelings others have, all kinds of them, but if its too static, doesnt change form, i get very quickly bored.
i sometimes even enjoy other peoples craziness. like there was this istj at a mental hosp who had an immense feeling of emptiness. first i found it kind of scary to be lost in such emptiness, but after a while in there, i started to enjoy it. it was like an illusion, and i would let the illusion go any way it wanted to, just observing it. (by doing this, i actually fix other peoples emotional problems. usually their crazy feelings annoy the hell out of me first, but if i invest energy and effort to get through the initial annoying state of the craziness, then it transforms into something beautiful.)
Very interesting observation on this ISTJ. I'm starting to think they all possess this tendency, I know one who is filthy rich and influentinal, has close friends who care about him, it's good looking, popular and yet...empty. I'm not gonna bore you telling my personal stories, but this guy was quite obsessed with me so we spent a lot of time together, which gave me opportunity to observe him closely.
After our last fallout he succumbed to alcohol and meaningless sex and he said it himself he "felt dead" inside.
My hero during high school, while Thomas Edison was in primary. It changes with time"Yes, Jung really was something else But people only speculate on his type, he died before the MBTI system was created. All I know it's he was type AWESOME."
same could be said about any type who reaches their full potential. like einstein.
Haha, no problem, I'm a chatterbox myself (though I'm incline to think you're much more quiet in RL )."I think I have a good idea of what types you might be now, but first I'd like you to read a couple things and then give me your opinion on it. I'll post the links later, but only if you don't write another essay in answer to this, or I'll never get to it "
oki! YEEAAAHH... sorry about that xD..
I find it hard to believe people you know wouldn't want to see the real you. Are you sure you're not misunderstanding? Maybe they don't want to see you sad, but you're not sad all the time. You have actually met people who accept you as you are, no?"I'm sorry to hear it . But I find tears to be a sign we're alive and that we can feel, you know? At least you're not repressing your feelings anymore.
I hope you find may reasons to smile, though "
yeah, other than FAKING it. ive got enough of faking happy. ive always had to feign that im ok, because no one wants to see the real me.
If not then you're extremely unlucky. It's a shame we live so far away from each other, I'd like to meet you.
Fair enough. Honestly, at this point I have to ask you:why are you still talking to me?"That's totally a T thing. For real, no Feeler would ever think that. We are what we feel.
I honestly don't think you're a feeler.
You're actually quite rational despite what you come across like at first. As I said your problem is you want it all now. But deep inside, you need to make sense. Am I right? "
i think its msot likely Ti vs Fi difference. intro functions = personal, extro function impersonal.
and if im a five, then five is a: an ego ennea, and b: thinking ennea. which means: your _ego_ comes from your thoughts, no matter the type.and ego, my dear, equates to self image . such as nines define thesmelves by their physical actvities, fours define themselve by how they feel of themselves, and fives by their way of thinking.
You seem to have all your answers already, you refute almost every point I make; you insist in telling me things I already know, you're already sure of your Enneagram type. And now you're being condescending.
I know what Ego is, thank you very much.Stop assuming you're always talking to someone less intelligent than you just because you are used to it.
I'm still not sold on you being an F, but I'm not gonna waste my time even attempting to make a case for it. You have already made up your mind.
Why do I get the feeling you believe to be Feeler based on beeing a Fe user? May I remind you that ISTPs and INTPs have Ti as their first function and Fe as their last one?its just like we spoke earlier: Fe adapts other peoples values. how many Fe's have you met who _havent_ compromised themselves to fit in?
like in past, when i noticed my thinking had gotten worse, it totally destroyed my self esteem, and i made a theory that alcohol had permanently damaged me. so i lost any bit of confidence i had in my intellect, and got into a mania. sounds like a 5 thing, doesnt it? i started to overcompensate this feeling of being inherently flawed by focusing on my 4w3, to build myself an amazing identity that i could be proud of.
Yes, you were right to stop it.wrong explanations mess my head up. an example: i used to believe im a wizard. that i could affect other peoples emotions however much i wish.
so i ended up doing it to others even when i was away from them. it seemed to cost more mana, and was harder without seeing them.
reason: because im not a wizard. i was simply, afecting their emotions through the connection i share with them, and i could only do it to the extense that the other people connected with me.
Where did I say you were an ESTP? I did said I thought you could be a Sensor earlier, but I had never considered you as an Extrovert. That's one of the reasons I never belived you were an ENFJ in first place.ok, so youve came to the conclusion that im a ti - fe, and an ni - se. a thinker. which mean an stp. istp's lead such emotionally dull lives i could never fathom myself having. and estp's talk about.. weather. like seriously? =| (sure i can analyze them how different weathers affect my moods, but thats kind of pointless.)
id have real hard time seeing myself as a sensor. considering, i saw them as dumb long before i got into these theories. i also saw intitors dumb too. =| (or the only intuitor i knew as a child, an intj.)
and it makes me really bad to think of myself as a sensor. ive always seen myself above everyone else.
As for ISTPs lifestyle, I doubt you've met enough of them to judge. But whatever floats your boat.
At least you are honest you do not want to be a Sensor.
Oh you've always seen yourself as superior? It explains a lot, not that I needed you to admit it, it's obvious.
Irrelevant. I'm an ENFP and I only like casual dating. I hate compromise. I don't have casual sex, though. It's too risky.and then another N trait: i could never accept myself having casual mating. i dont want std's, and not connecting to the other deeply makes it just pointless waste of time even if there werent std's. for me, romance is all about the connection. being touched is also extra. (but then, doesnt everyone except isfp's like that? =| ) isfp's are too privy and hate the Fe'ish emotion stuff. an isfp cat i had, always hates it that i shower her with too much attention. she only likes the attnetion, if shes in a mood to have it, and even then shes _completely_ disconnected from me, like disregarding me as if i was just something to use whenever she pleases. -.-
I am your ISFP cat .
That's not small talk, haha.ive actually always hated pointless small talk. but now that im becoming more emotionally open, it.. actually makes me very good, even thought my "small talk" is always more like me intellectually analyzing something seemingly trivial, but i actually learn things, indirectly, by doing so. like if people ask how ive been doing, i think, in my head (why the fk would i care to talk about that? whats the point?) but i realize now what the point is: the point of such trivial questions is to keep your mind sharp, so you actually know what happens inside your head, instead of forgetting everything instantly.. xD
I think the same about that, actually.
I might do it later.about those shadow types.. please, do tell me more.
I get it, it's understandable, I hate labels myself.honestly speaking, it makes me feel bad when i label myself as a type. i desperately want to have one, but all the negative traits i associate with each type bugs me. i guess, the prevalence of instincts and ennea makes it still very different to each person, aaand not to mention, personal progress.
Honesty again, I like it.
Of course you have to take those things into consideration, as well as environment and upbringing. But I have one thing to say:
It's come to my notice that most times than not, if you are comfortable and happy with your type, than you're not it.
I'm not basing this only on myself of course, but I'm no exception. I absolutely hated being an 8w7 for a long time.
I've come to realize most people are unable to understand us and create a lot of stereotypes, I'm really happy being myself now.
Yes, that's our core.i couldnt find the part of my post where i was talking about sexuality: ill add to it: the intense connection things applies probably on all sx doms..
Shadow types don't affect people. They are actually the opposite, they are what people are like when badly affect by something.on the shadow types: to what extense can it affect the person? my extremes are like this: openly empathetic, radiates any feelings i feel, (only good things, considering i wouldnt be in that state if they werent..) and even if the feeling is pain, it still feels good, and it makes me ashamed of how posessive my feelings kind of are, that when in that state and people leave my company, it makes me kind of sad, but i dont want to guilt trip anyone. so i also feel shame when i feel that way, cause i dont have the right to be posessive. i also dont take my feelings seriously in that state, so im actually just observing them in fascination, not being so ashamed of what i feel, that id hide it. then the other extreme is: emotionally dead. faking feelings with melodrama if in one on one situation. to the point kind of thinking, that i only leave my computer to do tasks such as shopping, and im so focused in doing them that i wont even notice there are other people at the shop too. if i discuss with people in this state, its very emotionless and centered around thoughts which wont really connect with reality that much at all. but im so absorbed in them that i actually believe in them. im also very arrogatn and believe im either the most intelligent person(when operating by which i suspect to be e5) or the most beautiful person (when operating on my 4w3, most likely secondary ennea.)
also, i dont analyze others at all when im in this bad state. im just totally disconnected from others.
You act on your shadow type when you are stressed, depressed, fearful, guilty or really tired.
You know the expression "I was not myself"? That's it.
You when up sound so much like someone I used to be friends with...wow.
Yes, your maniac arrogance it's what makes me wanna frequently give up on you.
And still you insist you're like this because you're a 5w4, and not because you're possibly a Thinker. Amazing.
my emotions mostly indicate how certain i am in my ability to judge what is the objectively best way to feel about something. and my certainty in my thinking. if i think im right, ill radiate a clear confidence. which is visible to others in many ways.
Your confidence amazes me. I just don' understand one thing:if you're so confident, why do you change yourself for others? It makes no sense to me.i also dont think an intuitor could ever hurt me in any way. i have an uncanny ability to solve any emotional problem, if i _care_ to, which, i rarely do.
So you enjoy suffering, like a masochist?
Where did I claimed you were an ESTP? WHERE?all the types i find most threatening to my self are S doms. except isfj, i havent noticed any dangerous behaviour from them yet, but then.. ive only seen one isfj in my entire life. -.- or two, but i didnt get to analyze this other isfj much at all, only to determine her type.
but me, an estp? i guess i could make sense of that.. but then........... ive been able to make sense of every other type i thought i was. -.-
Then why are still doing this? I'm wasting my time.this is lame.. =D
its kind of true, or really true.. i dont believe anything until ive experienced it myself.
Alcohol does cause severe brain cell damage and affects intelligence. I've watched the process happen in front of my eyes for many years and can attest to that. But since you don't believe in anything except your own experience, I guess it makes no difference. It's a scientifically proven fact though.and ive recognized, unhealthy entp's try to justify their emotional problems with external explanations, using Te, such as theories about how something in their brain has gone wrong, while in reality, they just have emotional problems.. lols. i guess it could be similar to how i correlated my dropped thinking capacity with the use of alcohol and thus became absolutist and lost any hopes of ever being intelligent again. when the truth was, that its because i stopped talking with people through microphones, that caused me to stop developing and maintaining my vocabulary and intellect, which i incorrectly correlated to alcohol. dont know, perhaps it migthve had somehting to do with it too?
I don't have the stomach to comment on this bullshit. You really do think you know everything.there was once this istp 5w4, he seemed very intelligent and like that. but when i went talking all abstract philosophy with him, he replied "im a simple person."
which is kind of lame, since istp IS the simpliest type, as is esfj equally much.. but still, a simple person with ennea 5w4? 5w4 is like the opposite of simplicity.
I wonder why...typism makes me wanna pukeuhh, i dont know. i actually in my past noted something about estp's world view being very similar to mine, i wrote it down so i could think on it later when i felt like it.
ive also noted estp's to do a lot of typism. ive been infricted several times in another forum and banned once for it. *whistles* =o..
I think you should stop thinking about YOURSELF for a while.uh, id love to think more on this, but right now i feel like theres too many things to think, and thus im nearing my suspected disintegration point of e7, which makes sense a lot since getting my thoughts scattered is exactly what wrecks me up, and it said to be a 5 thing.
lols, could you imagine a 5w4 sx so estp? thats like the opposite of estp stereotype. no wonder i never considered that type.
It makes no difference when you're not willing to believ in anyone but yourself.agh, i love it when i have million thoughts, but i also hate it, because then i get nothing out of it...............
i really dont know what to do in moments like this. id like to follow them all. one strategy is to write down the most relevant ones of them down, and ponder it later, unless it becomes irrelevant by new discoveries ive made.
Reading this last post makes me think your purpose on this thread is just to have your version of "small talk" instead of discovering anything."Think of us both: a few posts ago it seemed impossible to understand each other without loosing our tempers, now we're having a pleasant conversation !
I need some time to read your last two posts again and then come back, but I have an important question: did you read on Socionics during your studies? Do you identify more with those description or less?"
well, it takes some time to figure out how to go right at each type dynamic..
i did read socionics too. i find it so easy to identify with any of them, because somehow, im able to justify just about any theory. which is why i should first figure things myself, then correlate it to theory. not the other way.
yep, c ya!
You've said it several times you only believe in your own conclusions, so tell me: why make people waste their time?
All your posts about being 5w4 are basically the same, there's nothing new, and you made me think you needed help finding out your type. But all this time you already knew,no?
My biggest asset is also my biggest weakness: generosity. I started all this because I really wanted to help you, but I don't think you ever wanted my help. You just wanted someone to talk to who would really listen to you.
Actually judging by the fact that you see yourself as above everyone, I would never be able do that anyway.
You sucked up my energy these past few days for what? Entertainment? I hope you had fun.
I can tolerate or at least try and understand any flaw but one:arrogance.
And since you admit to be guilty of that and sees no reason to change...my work is done here.
The only thing I can say for sure I accomplished with this is confirming to myself that I'm capable of positive change. A year or two ago I'd be furious of myself for wasting my time, but now I only feel a bit sad. But not for myself.
Wishing you the best,