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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    Yeah, that's what I keep hearing. However, the real problem with me, is that I have no variant blind spot. Personally, I feel like none of my variants are neglected. I never really relate to the people that are sx last either. I have had several of them tell me that it's very difficult for them to get close to people and often times keep them at an arm's length. I can't do that at all. In fact, my problem is the fact that I get close to people extremely quickly. I literally can fall in love with a girl in a matter of 3 dates, and she is literally all that I ever think about. Plus, me and @Elfboy chat on the phone about relationships and whatnot constantly: we're like fucking teenage girls with that shit, lmao. I literally can not get one of my friends who is sexual last to do that with me.

    In addition, Riso-Hudson says that for sx second people, connecting with people is almost like you have a key and others have a socket, and you are just looking for the right key that you fit with. That's pretty much how it is for me.
    Well, the blind spot thing isn't universal. It could also be very subtle, or only apply to certain areas of your life. I dunno.

    I'm sticking with sx/so, for you, because of both boldeds. (I feel like the second bolded could be pretty typical of sx/so, as well.) I really just don't see much sp in you at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    Well, the blind spot thing isn't universal. It could also be very subtle, or only apply to certain areas of your life. I dunno.

    I'm sticking with sx/so, for you, because of both boldeds. (I feel like the second bolded could be pretty typical of sx/so, as well.) I really just don't see much sp in you at all.
    Check out this thread. It really tells you a lot about me....

    What are my enneagram variants?

    One thing that you should really find helpful is the conversation between @skylights and me. She asked me to state what I spent the vast majority of my time doing and I said this....

    Now to answer your question about how I divide my time:

    The vast majority of my time is spent taking care of self-pres needs. I am a computer science student in college and am very concerned with school and maintaining a high GPA because I know that it could lead to jobs and possible internships that could bring me money in the future. In fact, I have a 3.5 GPA right now. I was working a job for about two months, and I was very concerned with my job performance because the job brought me money and I didn't want to lose it. I did however, lose the job because apparently I was too slow at the job. I should also mention that my mental health is not the greatest right now, and I am very preoccupied with getting it back up to par as well. In order to achieve this, I am seeing a hypnotist who helps me to relax and to learn to calm down my mind through meditation and breathing exercises and am also seeing a psycho-therapist. I developed a gagging problem that hinders me from doing hard exercise right now, and I am also trying to save up enough money to get that medical problem taken care of.

    I really, really would like to get a woman in my life right now as well. However, I am extremely picky in my selection of mates and have sexual chemistry with only a very select few. I generally only go for highly attractive women that are somewhere between the 8 and 10 category and those are difficult to get. I am constantly trying to improve my looks in order to get these types of women. When, I am actually in a relationship, I spend a great deal of time with the woman that I am dating: we have sex constantly, we talk a lot, and we constantly go places together. The woman almost becomes an obsession to me. I can literally feel so connected to a woman that after only 3 dates, I can be seriously in love with her and be ready to marry her. However, I don't do this because logic kicks in and I realize that this has could potentially hurt me if I don't choose the right woman. Many times I have to reach out to peers to talk some sense into me when this happens, because I fall in love so deeply and so easily that it creates a problem. Plus, I'm not really ready to get married right now and enjoy playing the field when I am able.

    I really do almost nothing to contribute to SO. I'm not gonna lie though, I often socially feel like a loser being so broke like I am now and have so little. However, having horrible PTSD makes it very difficult to find and keep a job. I rarely if ever do any type of group activities, and when I do it's with a small circle of friends. I should also mention, that I do enjoy large groups of people and parties but I generally don't socialize with many people there. I generally just attend them to find a mate. I also attend them to make find one or two more friends that I can hang out with. Generally I find that in parties, I feel I'm a woman going to a department store and picking out clothes: I pick out a few people and pull them to the side and focus on talking with them the majority of the night. It's either that, or I'm the life of the party and am the center of attention entertaining everyone.

    That's me in a nutshell.

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    @The Great One -- Ok, good to know. I'll respond on that thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    @The Great One -- Ok, good to know. I'll respond on that thread.
    Ok, I look forward to your response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    Well, I seem to enjoy keeping up with what my friends and family are doing and what's going on in the community, but it's not really a necessity for me. I also enjoy keeping up with celebrity gossip. For instance, I constantly watch TMZ because I like to get the scoop.
    Yeah, but you are an Extrovert. It's easy to confuse what the driving factor may be behind any one choice/action/preference.

    I agree with EJCC you seem Sx first and may be a Sx/So.

    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    ^ Great post. I completely relate to your third (film) paragraph, actually, and I think the bolded can apply to an so-dom of any type (though maybe less frequently with SJs).
    Probably. With a SJ the JCF might alter the thinking slightly. A SFJ for example, might put more stock in the opinions of the group because they use Fe to consult the group in order to come to a decision. And all SJs might be less inclined to disagree and disrupt because Si encourages them to stick with what has been proven to work effectively over time. But then maybe Te stubbornness will make a STJ more likely to hold to their own views and dismiss others'. Like I said above, there can be multiple factors in play.

    I definitely did not say "traditions", nor did I mean "traditions" -- what I was referring to by "dynamics of the group" relates more to the nuances of everyone's relationships with one another. As for potential SJ bias that doesn't apply to non-SJs, note that Southern Kross, an INFP 4 so, agreed with my post.
    Yes, it's best to keep the description relatively broad unless you're talking about a particular type. "Tradition" could be one aspect of the Social instinct's focus on group harmony and dynamics. That might be so, say, for a 1 or a 6, but a 5 might use that same focus to gather information on patterns of human behaviour, whereas a 2 might use it to anticipate how they might best help others. Each type frames the instinctual variants through the prism of their enneatype (with some influence from their MBTI); so the same focus/approach of the instinct is filtered through very different interests and priorities, resulting in a wide variety of behaviours that, superficially, may appear to have little in common. However, the broad strokes are ultimately the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    Yeah, that's what I keep hearing. However, the real problem with me, is that I have no variant blind spot. Personally, I feel like none of my variants are neglected. I never really relate to the people that are sx last either. I have had several of them tell me that it's very difficult for them to get close to people and often times keep them at an arm's length. I can't do that at all. In fact, my problem is the fact that I get close to people extremely quickly. I literally can fall in love with a girl in a matter of 3 dates, and she is literally all that I ever think about. Plus, me and Elfboy chat on the phone about relationships and whatnot constantly: we're like fucking teenage girls with that shit, lmao. I literally can not get one of my friends who is sexual last to do that with me.

    In addition, Riso-Hudson says that for sx second people, connecting with people is almost like you have a key and others have a socket, and you are just looking for the right key that you fit with. That's pretty much how it is for me.
    I would argue that 6s have a Sp quality to them. This might give you more balance in your instincts and make the blind spot less obvious (I'm in the same boat with my instincts and type). BlackCat (although he's not around much these days) made a thread here once about the instincts relating to type. There was a recent thread that implied the same idea. Some instincts emphasise the type, some have no effect, and some "counteract" (for the lack of a better word) it. BlackCat's version went something like this:

    5s:
    Sp accentuates the type's characteristics
    So is neutral
    Sx counteracts

    3s:
    So accentuates the type's characteristics
    Sx is neutral
    Sp counteracts

    8s
    Sx accentuates the type's characteristics
    Sp is neutral
    So counteracts
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Kross View Post
    Probably. With a SJ the JCF might alter the thinking slightly. A SFJ for example, might put more stock in the opinions of the group because they use Fe to consult the group in order to come to a decision. And all SJs might be less inclined to disagree and disrupt because Si encourages them to stick with what has been proven to work effectively over time. But then maybe Te stubbornness will make a STJ more likely to hold to their own views and dismiss others'. Like I said above, there can be multiple factors in play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Kross View Post
    Yes, it's best to keep the description relatively broad unless you're talking about a particular type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Kross View Post
    "Tradition" could be one aspect of the Social instinct's focus on group harmony and dynamics. That might be so, say, for a 1 or a 6, but a 5 might use that same focus to gather information on patterns of human behaviour, whereas a 2 might use it to anticipate how they might best help others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Kross View Post
    Each type frames the instinctual variants through the prism of their enneatype (with some influence from their MBTI); so the same focus/approach of the instinct is filtered through very different interests and priorities, resulting in a wide variety of behaviours that, superficially, may appear to have little in common.
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    [T]he broad strokes are ultimately the same.

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    This is pretty much what I just read:
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    Out of curiosity, @sleuthiness, just how bored are you right now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    Yeah, that's what I keep hearing. However, the real problem with me, is that I have no variant blind spot. Personally, I feel like none of my variants are neglected. I never really relate to the people that are sx last either. I have had several of them tell me that it's very difficult for them to get close to people and often times keep them at an arm's length. I can't do that at all. In fact, my problem is the fact that I get close to people extremely quickly. I literally can fall in love with a girl in a matter of 3 dates, and she is literally all that I ever think about. Plus, me and @Elfboy chat on the phone about relationships and whatnot constantly: we're like fucking teenage girls with that shit, lmao. I literally can not get one of my friends who is sexual last to do that with me.

    In addition, Riso-Hudson says that for sx second people, connecting with people is almost like you have a key and others have a socket, and you are just looking for the right key that you fit with. That's pretty much how it is for me.
    You keep claiming that but in your thread I kept seeing quite neurotic sp from you, and not the kind of neurotic sp I'd expect from an sp first type but from an sp last type. Also, as I mentioned in your thread, all the issues you raised as sp concerns most of all seemed like 6 concerns. Even when I asked you to specifically try to provide with how you approach sp it just seems to kind of fall out of your mind, like you couldn't quite grasp the concept itself.

    That is also another strong indication of sp most likely being your blind spot. Just because you do not perceive your blind spot means it's not there - that's why it is called the blind spot. Think about, it's a blind spot because we cannot see it as a weakness or deficiency since we tend to so blatantly ignore it.

    That's pretty much how I understand so as well as sx/sp. I'm like, oh, community, news, belonging, network society? What's that?

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    For me it is thus:

    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    the social variant involves the needing to belong to something larger than yourself
    There is a preoccupation for me, as a 9, to feel "part of" a sense of belonging, however this preoccupation is also an indication that I never actually achieve that, rather it's a constant driver that I am compelled to find without ending.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    the ability to understand social webs very easily (i.e., this person knows this person, that knows this person, that knows this person)
    I don't pay attention to who knows who, that's bland and boring to me, it's more that I read social dynamics as naturally as reading a book, it seems obvious to me, the interpersonal dynamics between anyone and everyone without paying specific attention to who is who. Filtered through my 9 it's important for me to know the interpersonal dynamics so I can influence potential conflicts before they occur so that my peace isn't disrupted.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    the need for social prestige
    I have a need for recognition in aspects, to not be ignored, I don't care much for prestige.

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    they like to know what's going in their community
    I'm actually pretty oblivious to the day to day activities of things, it's nice to know what's going on around so I can be aware of how dynamics are shifting and not be caught off guard, however for the most part I'm more in-tune with focusing on the interpersonal dynamics of any community I'm involved with.

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    they like to keep up with the news
    Meh, never been one to do this, although I do consider it something many So doms are interested in.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    the need to create social connections
    As a 9 I'm all about connections, so yeah.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    and often times they enjoy socializing
    Of course, am also an extrovert though. And on the flip side, I am also often times highly anti-social and reclusive, as a So dom it's the area that has a big impact on me is all, like a Sp dom can flip between preoccupation with needs and neglect, or a Sx dom can flip between seeking meaningful connections and promiscuity, So is about the flip between social and anti-social.


    The biggest thing for me is the focus on interpersonal dynamics, picture a politician who can see all the dynamics of a room and know who to hit up and at what angle to get what he needs, that's how it works for me, the second major area is the preoccupation for being "part of".

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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    This is pretty much what I just read:

    Out of curiosity, sleuthiness, just how bored are you right now?
    I'll say. I can't make any sense out of that at all. Could you give it another try? Punctuation may help a little.
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