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    Junior Member Mephisto's Avatar
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    Social last simply means lack of consciousness in the field of social dynamics. Sp/sx and sx/sp can be socially active, even smooth, because the lack of consciousness goes both ways. Social last can easily be ambitious too, while some so-doms are very nervous in social situation because they see too much.

    It is rather like some sp last can be rich and some sx last can have a lot of sex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    When I walk into a social setting, I'm thinking about food & a comfortable spot to hang back & just observe. I like to make sure I can be in control of these things. It's funny because at home I'll forget to eat, but I think it's because I know it's there if I want it. I'll think about other people's comforts too though. This becomes like a noise which drowns out the dynamics of people interacting around me.

    When I am stuck in the middle of a group, I am uncomfortable and unused to being so involved. It's the most foreign thing to me to see a group interact; the inner workings of it are lost on me. Even online, when threads become this cutesy banter fest between many people, I don't get it. I could never join in. When I interact with people, it can seem like I am singling them out and going at them too intensely. I probably am doing that.... I'm either detached or too heavy, never casual and light enough. Whenever I realize I am out of the loop on something (which is often), it surprises me because I usually didn't even realize there was a loop.

    Back to the social setting, my next thought (or sometimes my first) may be, "Am I being noted as intriguing, and is any individual intriguing to me?". I look for individuals & one-on-one connections. I'll find myself drawn to one person and will hyper-aware of them & only them. Sometimes, I think I am so aware of them they must feel it, like the air has changed. Yet, I am oblivious to all others and imagine they are oblivious to me. Sometimes, I think I might seem clingy because I zero in on the same individual people socially. I fail massively at networking, but then I don't even try.

    When I talk to people, it's either very indifferent or intense. I have a hard time finding that socially smooth middle ground. I make horrible first impressions. More people notice me and remember me than I'd ever dream of; I imagine myself invisible. But then, I like to dress a bit funky, and I think a part of me is preening to draw interesting people to me. There's no social status aspect, and I can fail to be appropriate at times too.

    So the primary focus is my personal comfort and independence, then making those intense, one-on-one connections with individuals, and usually at the expense of smooth social skills and awareness of what is regular interaction.
    ^This.

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    sx/sp... extremely blunt, straight to the point, and dont care too much about what others think.

    Let the chips fall where they may

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    I see a person and I don't care what their social status is. I scarcely care for mine either. The only reason I would ever want to establish some sort of... special social identity, is to save my own hide. This rarely happens as I tend to get by without even regarding status, and sometimes without even regarding levels of respect. I just don't give a damn. I can form my own opinions about you and myself. Thank you very much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by themarlins View Post
    sx/sp... extremely blunt, straight to the point, and dont care too much about what others think.
    It's an overgeneralisation, sometime they're like that yes, sometime the complete opposite of that.

    [youtube=B5P9reqyzHY]Carla Bruni Sx/Sp[/youtube]
    [youtube=ANJGTyZ6v_A]Mary Weiss Sx/Sp[/youtube]
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    [youtube=k6wKJKpQlyc]Marilyn Monroe Sx/Sp[/youtube]
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    Also, it's an overgeneralization to say that So-last are indepedant and don't care about what people think, many are attention whore, very sensitive to criticism ror have a dependant personality dosorder, they just don't have the impulse to be enlarge by a larger group, which is different.
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    I strongly relate to so-last and sx-last. What does this mean? I'm just sp?

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    Quote Originally Posted by themarlins View Post
    sx/sp... extremely blunt, straight to the point, and dont care too much about what others think.

    Let the chips fall where they may

    So a So/Sx 8w7 would be softer than a 9w1 Sx/Sp lol...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Richardsen View Post
    So a So/Sx 8w7 would be softer than a 9w1 Sx/Sp lol...
    Being blunt doesnt mean you are "hard". soc last just means you are straight forward and pay less attention to group norms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by themarlins View Post
    Being blunt doesnt mean you are "hard". soc last just means you are straight forward and pay less attention to group norms.
    Sorry but this is wrong. A phobic 6w7 Sp/Sx will be likely pay a lot of attention to group norms, an antisocial 7w8 So/Sx will not. Being social is not about "paying attention to group norms".
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    Quote Originally Posted by jixmixfix View Post
    I'm pretty good socially but in groups I trust, the thing is I can be very outgoing in these groups I trust and very self preserved in groups I don't trust. In public I am very SP with friends I am Sx/so variant. I think the one thing that makes being an SP so great is the inability to be convinced and fooled so easily.
    Same here, as another ISTP Sp/Sx. My group dymanics skills suck, possibly even with groups of people I know well, and especially compared to being one-on-one with someone.
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