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    Sp/sx...hmm...
    Sexual appeal? I have none...and I'd feel dirty using it. Now what? lol

    Sx is anything but supportive for me...unless we're talking about how I tackle hobbies and interests.
    If it's about people, well, the way I avoid intimacy will probably be my doom.

    Reposting something from before:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    Sp/Sx: may use sex appeal to attain financial stability and comfort (think super model)
    Sp/So: may use social graces to attain financial stability and comfort (think social climbing executive)
    Sx/Sp: may use financial means to increase sex appeal (think cougar or sugar daddy)
    Sx/So: may use social standing and status to increase sex appeal (think stereotypical alpha male)
    So/Sp: may use their survival and financial means to benefit the group (think person is a position of service)
    So/Sx: may use their sex appeal to gain social status and acceptance (think fraternities and sororities)
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but your theory seems to be:
    Instinct 1 = main concern/focus
    Instinct 2 = comes naturally and acts as a means
    I2 as a cushion or tool for coping with/attaining the desires/needs of I1.
    By that formula, I'd be Sx/Sp.
    Firstly, just wanted to make it clear that I don't need to settle on an instinct stacking and would be happy to leave it between sp/sx and sx/sp forever. But just out of pure curiosity, what makes you think that Sx, rather than Sp, is my support instinct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 21% View Post
    Yeah, it does seem clearer in 7s when you put it that way

    I think it should be fairly clear in 4s too -- because I think I'm pretty 'level-headed' (stemming from being safety-oriented) as a 4. I can imagine sx 4s being a lot less 'leashed in'.

    What about in 9s? I've been trying to pin down my INFP boyfriend's instincts. I'm quite sure he's a 9w1, and I've guessed sx/sp, but I have no idea how to tell for sure.

    Sorry if I'm hijacking the thread >_<
    - 4s are pretty hard to tell. if you look at Brian Griffin and Sir Lawrence Olivier (both 4w3 Sp/Sx) they match the generic Sx descriptions to a tee (passionate, impulsive, longing, intense, craving emotional closeness)
    - 9s are hard to tell to. to me, Sp/Sx 9s are more detached. they're down with intimacy if you come to them, but they tend to be a tad more reserved, though their Sx side will gradually come out if they've warmed up to you and they like you. Sx/Sp 9s have a sort of vibe like a woman comforting a 3 year old child, only perpetually.

    for comparison (I included the same MBTI and wing to try and isolate the variables better) :
    Dido: INFP 9w1 Sp/Sx


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    Quote Originally Posted by VagrantFarce View Post
    It's my opinion that anyone can get along with anyone, assuming that they make an effort to change with each other. Insularity is never a virtue.
    Yes, of course anyone can get along well enough - if they want to...in an ideal world. But due to whatever reason, some people will decide that you're unworthy of their efforts and time...(and I myself have got too much pride/don't care enough to bend over backwards to prove that I am worthy).

    Quote Originally Posted by taylor17387 View Post
    Well, maybe I haven't expressed myself clearly. I didn't mean that sex is always a mechanical act; of course, when there's love involved it must be a meaningful and important experience, and I believe that this way is much MUCH better. It's just that, when there's no love, I still can accept it as something impersonal and not really intimate. Other people, for example, would never think something like that; sex for them is always intimate (even if it's a one-night stand) and they expect to be loved.

    I suppose that 6 wing instead of 4 wing has something to do with this different approach. Apparently, 6 wing brings more detachment from emotions. I'm also very disconnected from my body sometimes; I could probably live as a head in a jar.
    I don't doubt that it'd be better with someone you love. Don't worry, I didn't think for a second that, for you, sex is always a mechanical act, period. I have more respect for people than to just assume crap like that.

    I was just highlighting how insanely prudish I am in comparison...in real life. I'd probably flinch and run away if a guy touched me in a less than innocent way.
    (I have some serious issues and I dont know why. Great childhood and all.)
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    @Richardsen - I've stolen your post. Thanks. (I think it could be of use here.)

    Cut some lines out...but reworded nothing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Richardsen View Post
    Renamed: List #1 Sx/Sp
    - My life is defined by "out" and "in" of myself
    - Always romantic, extremely jealous, ( even with people who aren't romantic partners)
    - Very interested and sometimes obsesed with sexuality. Almost through my all life I think.
    - Always trying to seek and provoke intense emotions.
    - Emotionally competitive.
    - I have troubles with control my rage and emotions.
    - I don't know if this applies in Sx insctinct but Im very temperamental.
    - I think that I am too unstable and restless for a Sp/Sx
    - When I want to conect with a person Is always in a flirtatious tone, skipping the friendship stage. In fact I never had a consistent friendship with a woman.

    Renamed: List #2 Sp/Sx
    - I like to stay at home
    - Need personal space
    - I put myself first instead of others usually
    - Im intense, but also quiet, and hermetic.
    - I protect myself ( this is contradictory bcs I self sabotage and destruct myself in my "edgy" moments )
    - I stay very hermetic to the people most of the time.
    - I only had one serious relationship in my all life ( and very intense btw)
    - I lock into myself too much.
    - Short, and to the point in my speaking style.
    - Very serious and angry looking. Maybe this could be the lack of SO component
    Now, going back to the theoretical understanding that this thread was originally intended for, I have a general question.
    If List #1 = Sx, and List #2 = Sp (both of which I relate to 99%), how can you tell which is the dominant instinct and which is the supporting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RevlisZero View Post
    Nothing's coming to mind. Are you sure everyone's had this happen? I'm only 18, so I haven't exactly had the most life experience. :P I don't know, maybe sometime when I thought I did really great on a test and found out I got a bad grade. I don't think that's what you're looking for though...
    What do you enjoy doing? What gets you energised? What do you love about life? it can be anything, big or small. Don't overthink it and make some big "this, or this maybe, or this" list like you always do, just go with what you feel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RevlisZero View Post
    I would say that intimacy/closeness is more important to me, or at least more appealing, than belonging (though on the other hand, I'm afraid of looking weird, thus not "fitting in"). But if this is the case, then why don't I actively seek it? I don't open up or make any effort to get close to people, nor has anyone ever tried to get close to me. And aside from that, the sx/sp and sx/so descriptions for my type don't fit me at all, they're like the opposite of how I am.
    This could be precisely your sp instinct bothering you, so even if you really want intimacy, you're afraid of doing anything about it, because people could reject you, or you could draw unwanted attention, or look "weird" (in a word, you'd feel unsafe).
    But if you think that the Sx/sp 6 description doesn't fit you, I could be wrong.
    I don't know if it's better to choose the instincts following descriptions or following intuition. Maybe you could read the general descriptions for each subtype of 6, without stackings, to determine your dom. instinct, and then choose between the other two options for the support instinct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridian View Post
    Does Sx intimacy always mean romantic intimacy? Or does it encompass familial/friendly intimacy as well?
    You can be Sx and completely unromantic. You seek relationships for the intensity you can find in them, by opposition with Sp who seek the confort provided by relationships. This process works for romantic relationships including romantic, familial or friendly, or even professionals.

    So... Sx-doms are like teenagers?
    Yes, Sx people are thoses 56 years old man who have the libido of a 14 years old boy (<<see my avatar). I think it can work for Sx-second too, by the way.

    Also, to illustrate what VagranFarce said, Veronica Lodge is an Sx/So (3w4):

    [youtube=6pFR1-sstUM]Veronica Gives Archie an Aphrodisiac[/youtube]

    (Archie is 6w7 So/Sp and Betty 6w7 So/Sx)

    I also don't think that insticts are really about motivation, "motivation" is a mental thing. Instincts are instinctive, it comes from the body, from the passion of the heart, you can't control, it is what work when you are in autopilot. It is not only because you have an account on a dating site that you are Sx.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vizzy View Post
    Sp/sx...hmm...
    Sexual appeal? I have none...and I'd feel dirty using it. Now what? lol

    Sx is anything but supportive for me...unless we're talking about how I tackle hobbies and interests.
    If it's about people, well, the way I avoid intimacy will probably be my doom.

    Reposting something from before:


    Firstly, just wanted to make it clear that I don't need to settle on an instinct stacking and would be happy to leave it between sp/sx and sx/sp forever. But just out of pure curiosity, what makes you think that Sx, rather than Sp, is my support instinct?
    it's really just a vibe, I can't explain it, so feel free to take it with a grain of salt
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    it's really just a vibe, I can't explain it, so feel free to take it with a grain of salt
    Oh, ok. I don't put much credence on vibes - unless you interacted with me in real life, and even then....


    Anyway, *grabs popcorn and continues to watch*
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    Quote Originally Posted by taylor17387 View Post
    This could be precisely your sp instinct bothering you, so even if you really want intimacy, you're afraid of doing anything about it, because people could reject you, or you could draw unwanted attention, or look "weird" (in a word, you'd feel unsafe).
    But if you think that the Sx/sp 6 description doesn't fit you, I could be wrong.
    I don't know if it's better to choose the instincts following descriptions or following intuition. Maybe you could read the general descriptions for each subtype of 6, without stackings, to determine your dom. instinct, and then choose between the other two options for the support instinct.
    All the stuff RevisZero says about feeling weird and fitting in is more So than Sx.
    I guess, when talking about instincts, it's more about what you're most aware of than what you cherish most. I mean, needless to say, there are Sp/So and So/Sp types who cherish their partners more than anything else if you ask them to choose.
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