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    Quote Originally Posted by IndyAnnaJoan View Post
    i should have been more clear. i was agreeing with you.
    About which part?
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    The woman on the left; is this an sx/sp gaze?

    I find it mesmerizing somehow, like I can see the sx intensity, but there also seems to be a hurt, protective barrier behind it.



    (...stolen borrowed from @Kasper 's blog, @Jennifer 's post....)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    About which part?
    this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Well, I did that too, and I consider myself to have operated within a much more SP mindset for some time. It's just now that I'm not as neurotic and more balanced that I find I'm pretty SX and get irked with the hardcore self-encapsulated SP mindset.

    They are all ways of relating to people and how energy is directed. SO tends to create a lot of broad but not necessarily deep connections; SX looks for intensity of connection; SP tends to keep the self hidden and safe and only known to a few. All these other traits might stem from that kind of mindset but don't seem to be core to me.
    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    Your idea of Sp sounds like introversion. All three of your descriptions involve relationships with others. Is that at the core of this system? Are Sp's head-in-sand self-encapsulated? Or are they just, as the descriptions I've read indicate, concerned with watching out for their personal well-being (materially, socially, etc)?

    Self-preservation comes out in many ways. Sometimes it may involve a pre-emptive strike against a foreseen danger. But self-preservation, safety, and security lies at the core of the Sp type.

    "SP tends to keep the self hidden and safe and only known to a few." Safe, of course. Hidden: perhaps that's just a type 5 interpretation of the instinct to find security. Other types may find it safer to bring their issues out into the open.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    No, that's not what I'm saying, although realistically you are taking Variants out of the enneagram and trying to blend it with MBTI terminology. There's not much sense in that, the Enneagram is not interested in introversion vs extroversion, it simply describes how people direct energy at others, and SP will conserve it, and to do that, it has to keep some barriers up. SO will invest broadly in others, where SX seems to assume it will always have this endless store of energy and seeks out opportunities to invest energy. But that is not introversion or extroversion in the sense you are thinking... I think MBTI introverts and extroverts can still span all three variants
    Yes. Although I am very much an introvert, there is a difference between myself and my sp- introvert friends. They are much more steady and calm and consistent while I... swing. I can be extremely quiet and reserved at times, other times I am loud and chatty. The thing teachers always said about me was that I was inconsistent.

    I have become less energetic, more hesitant than I was due to mood stabilizers and not wanting to destroy my life, I keep forgetting that. I used to have lots of energy... for a withdrawn type, anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndyAnnaJoan View Post
    I wonder if I'm suffering from the bolded...??
    Yeah, that for sure is my thing, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redcheerio View Post
    The woman on the left; is this an sx/sp gaze?
    No it's not, she's just an actor squinting her fucking eyes.

    Let's all let go of this silly "Sx-gaze" rubbish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VagrantFarce View Post
    No it's not, she's just an actor squinting her fucking eyes.

    Let's all let go of this silly "Sx-gaze" rubbish.
    why do you care if others find the concept interesting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by VagrantFarce View Post
    No it's not, she's just an actor squinting her fucking eyes.
    Actually, she's from a documentary and exactly who and what she appears to be, since she was "playing herself."

    But I didn't particularly get an SX feel from her while watching the documentary.

    Their mom was a rather overbearing ESFJ, and their dad an ISTJ (I think).
    And the twins seem to both be I's.
    Not sure if I can pick up anything else from them.

    Let's all let go of this silly "Sx-gaze" rubbish.
    I think we can definitely feel energy in an actual interaction, but just meeting someone's gaze in a picture? Yeah, that's not much to base something on.
    I didn't really get anything off the picture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    No, that's not what I'm saying, although realistically you are taking Variants out of the enneagram and trying to blend it with MBTI terminology. There's not much sense in that, the Enneagram is not interested in introversion vs extroversion, it simply describes how people direct energy at others, and SP will conserve it, and to do that, it has to keep some barriers up. SO will invest broadly in others, where SX seems to assume it will always have this endless store of energy and seeks out opportunities to invest energy. But that is not introversion or extroversion in the sense you are thinking... I think MBTI introverts and extroverts can still span all three variants.
    Instinctuals is not enneagram. They are completely distinct systems of thought. There's nothing incorrect about saying I'm an INTP Sx/Sp. It just so happens that Instinctuals and enneagram came from the same source, Oscar Ichazo, the inventor of the modern enneagram of the Arica Institute.

    I'll add this. It would be incorrect to confuse the traits of Instinctuals with the traits of the various ennea-types. But as far as I'm concerned, most if not all of these traits are described in other unrelated systems. For example, the Ansir Sentinel type looks like the Sp Instinctual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    Instinctuals is not enneagram. They are completely distinct systems of thought. There's nothing incorrect about saying I'm an INTP Sx/Sp. It just so happens that Instinctuals and enneagram came from the same source, Oscar Ichazo, the inventor of the modern enneagram of the Arica Institute.
    That's not really what I meant, but I'm out of time and energy for this topic.

    Hope you figure everything out, good luck!
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