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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    Maybe you aren't sx? Most things you write (including this post) seem to come from an sp viewpoint.
    True.
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    Let's make this thread about me for a moment. I started it anyway. :p Recently I changed my Instinctual typing from Sp/So to Sx/Sp. Here is the Sp/So description found at the oceans-moonshine site:

    "sp/soc
    This type is generally private and reserved, and especially serious and practical minded in their focus to gain material security and in making useful connections that support their goals."

    Not me.

    "When they do form a connection, loyalty is very important to them and they will not hesitate to end a relationship on grounds of disloyalty."

    Not me.

    "This type may lack a certain degree of interpersonal warmth which can give the impression of coldness or disinterest in others, even a sense of selfishness."

    I'm that way on first sight, not later.

    "May be drawn to groups that attract like minded individuals, as in business clubs or volunteer organizations where a shared professional culture can facilitate social bonds."

    Not me.

    "They tend to live conservatively and dress in an inconspicuously appropriate fashion befitting their status in life."

    I'm fairly indifferent to style of dress, socially speaking. I dress to please myself.

    "May have a characteristically blunt and direct style of communication that can take others some getting used to."

    That's fairly characteristic of my core enneatype anyway.

    "They are particularly strong in matters of commitment and sacrifice, and enjoy being the benefactors in assisting society's practical needs."

    Not me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    True.
    You're too dumb to argue with. Just saying!
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    You are 5w4, so hardly relate on the stereotypycal Sp/So description, wich does'nt mean you are not Sp/So. You are clearly closer to The Simpsons's Comic Book guy than Kurt Cobain. Sx/Sp for you is laughable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    I've been thinking lately about the Sx allure. Hazashin's question to me on my wall about the Sx having to be alluring is based on an assumption. How can you know if you're alluring unless someone tells you? If you're like me, then you'll be so standoffish that nobody will have a chance to say anything.
    As you mention later, I think it's individual type differences (as well as the broad category type differences) among SX-styled people that can answer this question.

    I've got a pretty good sense of how I come off, but then again, I've spent my whole life perfecting this ability to look at myself as if I were someone else or from a particular person's POV. I have some emotional hangups that sometimes muddy my trust in my perception of myself, but typically I've aware of when I'm saying/doing something that someone might find alluring and when otherwise I'm just kind of being boring.

    (I think it's something that plays into the arts too, since I use the same sense when I'm performing music, as part of weaving a dialogue with the audience.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    You are 5w4, so hardly relate on the stereotypycal Sp/So description, wich does'nt mean you are not Sp/So. You are clearly closer to The Simpsons's Comic Book guy than Kurt Cobain. Sx/Sp for you is laughable.
    You got any basis for this, aside from your proclamation? Just curious.
    You're kind of channeling Technical here.

    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    Let's make this thread about me for a moment. I started it anyway. :p Recently I changed my Instinctual typing from Sp/So to Sx/Sp. Here is the Sp/So description found at the oceans-moonshine site:

    "sp/soc
    This type is generally private and reserved, and especially serious and practical minded in their focus to gain material security and in making useful connections that support their goals."

    Not me.

    "When they do form a connection, loyalty is very important to them and they will not hesitate to end a relationship on grounds of disloyalty."

    Not me.

    "This type may lack a certain degree of interpersonal warmth which can give the impression of coldness or disinterest in others, even a sense of selfishness."

    I'm that way on first sight, not later.

    "May be drawn to groups that attract like minded individuals, as in business clubs or volunteer organizations where a shared professional culture can facilitate social bonds."

    Not me.

    "They tend to live conservatively and dress in an inconspicuously appropriate fashion befitting their status in life."

    I'm fairly indifferent to style of dress, socially speaking. I dress to please myself.

    "May have a characteristically blunt and direct style of communication that can take others some getting used to."

    That's fairly characteristic of my core enneatype anyway.

    "They are particularly strong in matters of commitment and sacrifice, and enjoy being the benefactors in assisting society's practical needs."

    Not me.
    A lot of "nots" but what about all the others? For example, is there a reason pure SP doesn't measure up?

    Quote Originally Posted by foxonstilts
    But yes, I do have the "allure" thing. I don't really like to talk about it, because that seems very self-absorbed or vain or whatnot, but I do. And it is both a good thing and a bad thing. I'm not the best "people person" and don't relate to them, usually, but somehow whenever I like someone, I fall a little bit in love with them. I think that's the "intense connection" that is so associated with sx doms.
    Wow, that resonates. Yeah, that's kinda what it feels like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    As you mention later, I think it's individual type differences (as well as the broad category type differences) among SX-styled people that can answer this question.

    I've got a pretty good sense of how I come off, but then again, I've spent my whole life perfecting this ability to look at myself as if I were someone else or from a particular person's POV. I have some emotional hangups that sometimes muddy my trust in my perception of myself, but typically I've aware of when I'm saying/doing something that someone might find alluring and when otherwise I'm just kind of being boring.

    (I think it's something that plays into the arts too, since I use the same sense when I'm performing music, as part of weaving a dialogue with the audience.)

    You got any basis for this, aside from your proclamation? Just curious.
    You're kind of channeling Technical here.
    I have been taking this page as authoritative on the subject. I've read other pages and I like this one the best, so far:
    http://ocean-moonshine.net/e14285736...position=80:80

    Your display pic seems very Sx to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    I have been taking this page as authoritative on the subject.
    And you are wrong. There's many errors an this page.

    Your display pic seems very Sx to me.
    The your on other side...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    Your display pic seems very Sx to me.
    Yup. Those sorts of pictures resonate with me.
    Some people read it as "F". Which I guess in a way it could be, but I think it's broader than that (there's aesthetics, and deepness, and mystery, and resonance, and... well... you know, a "charge" lurking there). It's evocative.

    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    And you are wrong. There's many errors an this page.
    Your continual refusal to provide even the barest modicum of support for your conclusions is quickly eroding any value your opinions might provide. Why not actually make a thin attempt at a dialogue, even if you really don't care?

    The your on other side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post

    A lot of "nots" but what about all the others? For example, is there a reason pure SP doesn't measure up?
    I would like to avoid creating a wall'o'posts about me, myself and I. I will say that I also read the "Familiar Roles" at that page, such as "Familiar Roles: the businessperson, the responsible citizen, the pillar of society"
    and it just doesn't add up.

    And the Sp description says, "Self Pres people instinctively avoid certain foods and environments, and are likewise drawn to those things that nourish and sustain them. Sp's have a strong reaction against things that threaten to harm their comfort or health." In the past I've been quite the opposite, at times I will actually seek out and confront danger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    I would like to avoid creating a wall'o'posts about me, myself and I. I will say that I also read the "Familiar Roles" at that page, such as "Familiar Roles: the businessperson, the responsible citizen, the pillar of society"
    and it just doesn't add up.
    About the "wall of posts" -- why not? Because you'd like to treat the topic more generally? Your OP was all about you and an example of how you don't identify with the "allure" thing, so it's natural people would first question whether you are SX and want to clarify what variant you are likely to be, before deciding to progress and start creating subcategories of SX based on your atypical experiences.

    And the Sp description says, "Self Pres people instinctively avoid certain foods and environments, and are likewise drawn to those things that nourish and sustain them. Sp's have a strong reaction against things that threaten to harm their comfort or health." In the past I've been quite the opposite, at times I will actually seek out and confront danger.
    ANything else that doesn't match from SP? Especially if you are an N and not an S, I wouldn't weigh that particular trait too heavily. remember, we're also talking three BROAD categories, and it's pretty likely that not every characteristic at the extreme strength described is going to match someone who fits into a category.
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