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    Quote Originally Posted by INTPness View Post
    I would think these social reformers would be some mixture of so and sx. Either sx/so or so/sx. It doesn't seem that sp's would be social reformers - they'd likely be more interested in their own gains, like how you say that sp = I (me).
    So/Sx tend a bit more to be reformer, yeah, but as a general rule only. Churchill, Marilyn Manson and Albert Einstein are So/Sp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    So-last can need acceptance and unity but their pri[ma]l instinct is not to seek it.

    [...]

    Sx/Sp and Sp/Sx can be attention whore beacause even if their primal energy don't turn to the social sphere, they have issues with self-esteem and need for approbation.
    What does it mean if you go to great lengths to avoid attention because of low self-esteem, but not being approved of is the exact reason why you have low self-esteem?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazashin View Post
    What does it mean if you go to great lengths to avoid attention because of low self-esteem, but not being approved of is the exact reason why you have low self-esteem?
    Nothing more that you said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Nothing more that you said.
    I mean, is that significant for determining instinct preference?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazashin View Post
    I mean, is that significant for determining instinct preference?
    I think, that if you are So and you have problem with acceptance of the group, your bestial and animalistic reaction is to solve the problem, or try. See Michael Jackson. If is it not your bestial and animalistic reaction, it is a strong clue that you are not So.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    So-last can also be social and gragrious of course, many are. The character of Rachel from Friends is Sp/Sx for example, and was very popular in high school, and care a lot about her popularity and reputation, because she is a typical valley girl. But her dominant energy don't run in the social realm.

    Sp, Sx and So display very different energy. Sp's energy flows primarly in the "I", to preserve the self toward safety and security, the Sx's energy flows primarly in the "you" to complete the self toward intimacy and intensity.

    So have that animalistic energy wich flows in the "us", thay are like a lighthouse with his light and clean the world around, eventually burn it (So can be completely antisocial, like The Joker).

    Sp/Sx and Sx/Sp can be gregarious, and belong group or even lead it, but they have not an intinctive, bestial energy that So have. They are always very self-contained, even when they belong and lead group with heartfelt conviction, wich happen sometimes.

    Also, this bestial need to extend the self toward larger entity often lead So to a great imagination and great fantasy, especially So/Sx, So/Sp being more collected.



    So-last can need acceptance and unity but their priaml instinct is not to seek it. Like I said, Social can be Antisocial, because they need to be conncected with the larger social sphere, but don't necessarly seek acceptance. Ussama Bin Laden, Eminem, The Joker, John Lyndon, or Dr House are examples of antisocial So. Of course, it's more the case of So/Sx. They typically say that they don't need acceptance from the group, but if they stopped their social activity, they would be instinctively frustrated.

    Also, So can be driven to fight hypocrisy and ignorance and lead the social sphere to reform, combat or even revolution. So can be very anti-conformist and independant. Gandalf, Churchill, and Frank Zappa are Social. But Sx/Sp and Sp/Sx can be attention whore beacause even if their primal energy don't turn to the social sphere, they have issues with self-esteem and need for approbation.
    so by extension, the focus tends to be
    social: on the environment, group, on everything that's going on at once
    sexual: on one thing like an intense lazer beam
    self preservation: detached
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    so by extension, the focus tends to be
    social: on the environment, group, on everything that's going on at once
    sexual: on one thing like an intense lazer beam
    self preservation: detached
    Yes, I think it's that. .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    I think, that if you are So and you have problem with acceptance of the group, your bestial and animalistic reaction is to solve the problem, or try. See Michael Jackson. If is it not your bestial and animalistic reaction, it is a strong clue that you are not So.
    So can Sp-first type be like that (what I had described)? If so, what's the reasoning behind it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazashin View Post
    So can Sp-first type be like that (what I had described)? If so, what's the reasoning behind it?
    So-last can be image concious, but their primal instinctive energy is not lead by that, despite they can do action lead by their worry about reputation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Yes, I think it's that. .
    it's settled then. definitely Sp/Sx por moi
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