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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post

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    I agree that sp/sx keeps you at an arms length at all times. This seems to reminiscent of the sp doms in general. However, where on earth did you get these ideas about the sx/sp types?
    I dunno, perhaps from the sx-sps who tell me, show me and use those behavior patterns on me?

    I happen to be fond of the breed and ocassionally the feeling happens to be mutual, see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chana View Post
    Sure, but sex isn't always about the physical. It can be about social status; for some people having a lot of partners makes them seem cooler or more powerful, sometimes having sex with the right people helps you get into a social group or become more popular. It can get you money, free food, jobs, gifts, vacations etc. and some people just need the physical release but there's nothing passionate about it and they'd prefer the person to leave right after.

    It's not as simple as you're all making it out to be. I'm sx-first and less promiscuous than a lot of sx-last people I can think of. I don't like going a long time without but it doesn't make me willing to settle for less than I want.
    True. I agree with this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post

    @Starry

    1.Elfboy is right is not SP last. I talk to him all the time on the phone and this man is self-pres as hell, and even moreso he is social last. The man has literally no idea what's going on in the world around him EVER. He also couldn't understand social webs of "this guy knows this guy, who knows that guy" to save his life.

    2. Yes, I agree that on the outside I look so/sx 7w6 as fuck. When to comparing myself to possibly another ENTP 7w6, 3w2, 9w8 so/sx (Craig Ferguson) we look almost identical in terms of energy and behavior. However, I seem to have strong self pres and I'm really questioning whether or not I am actually an sx dom.
    Umm... I guess I'll first say...that I don't believe there's anything 'harmful' or 'detrimental' (I don't even know what words to use)...in being a mistyped individual. Like, if I believed I was an ISTJ 1w2 sp/so...and idk...whatever I did in the name of self-improvement stemmed from that belief and was in-line with what actual ISTJ 1w2s commonly reported as being beneficial by way of personal growth... <--I wouldn't even consider that a waste of time as so much of this is kinda over-arching anyway. iow, the point of all of this isn't found in the details of type...but rather in the ongoing state of mindfulness the study of personality theory seems to afford an individual. If it is important to you, however, to truly know... well, at least as it pertains to this thread I would suggest listening closely and with an open mind to what chana and Amargith are saying... (You will know your type when it stops feeling like tight, uncomfortable clothing. When you are no longer trying to get it to stick and mold to your form...all while proclaiming 'see how well this fits me!')

    I'm not as familiar with you Great One as I am @Elfboy...but you appear to have taken on some of Elfboy's misunderstandings as they are related to type. <--And when I say that I mean absolutely no disrespect to Elfboy and he knows this because I have said this to him many times. Elfboy is one hell of an *unique* individual... yet no matter how hard I may try haha...I can't not respect his tenacity and the fact that his strength is inherent and not dependent on anything outside of himself to sustain it. Now, he will come back here and say 'No Starry, I'm ENFP as fuck'...and I'll be here waiting for it. But I've only ever seen that brand of 'self-sustaining individualism' in the Fi dom. My point though is, I say what I say knowing full well he is strong enough to handle it (if he were to examine what I say at all)...and I can't not respect that. I also think anyone that underestimates his intelligence is foolish...but he is young and yes, I think he's got quite a bit wrong at this point in time. More than youth though, I've seen him provided a good deal of commentary regarding his type that, in my opinion, is really bad. But it's his powerful connection to e3 that I assign the majority of the blame. It's bizarre in a way because I see an incredible amount of integrity in him...yet at the exact same time he can also sorta become this or that because of that e3 bastard on his back. He'll work it out...there is no doubt in my mind... but as for now, yes. I feel much of his current understanding of the various aspects of personality theory are still subject to e3s compulsion to turn everything into *e3 images* which are specifically designed to be applied and removed and are superficial and based on other images within the environment. Again, he will work this all out.

    sp is not correlated with success. In fact, I would go so far as saying...if you are interested in the accumulation of wealth and status and leisure...leisure that makes sense because you actually have the means to kick back and relax...then you better hope and pray you are not sp 2nd...as sp 2nd is going to be the one placement that will fuck that all up for you the fasted. [edit: whoops I should clarify here and say sp trailing sx. so/sp is not what I'm referring to here with regards to material gain.]

    As others here have said...sx isn't correlated with getting tons of play. If you only knew how many sx/sps are monks and other religious people (I don't know other titles haha). This stems from all the internal conflict...that neither of you have. Both of your energy flows freely all in one direction which is so/sx or sx/so. The sx/sp is also referred to as the wanderer. The internal conflict often causes them to completely disengage and search endlessly for that missing piece. Both of you seem quite present. Your energy and focus...Great One is scattered but it is scattered in the social realm. And being scattered in the social realm still means you can be over-sexed and desiring of things with which to 'protect' yourself with. I see zero self-preservational characteristics in you or Elfboy although Elfboy has the intensified focus of the sexual dom. Neither one of you present with those *snags* in energy that are the hallmark of sx/sp.

    And finally, Great One... I couldn't say for certain (and would actually be interested in seeing some test scores) what your actual MBTI is... but I know a glutton when I see one...being one myself. Still, it may take a while for all of this to unfold in you and Elfboy's preview. And I think that's fine.

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    no @Starry, I'm ENFP as fuck
    the unconditional self assuredness is related to E7 and E8. it is also related to Fi, but not necessarily on a cognitive level. if you talked to me in person, you'd see I'm pretty extroverted and have the bouncy mind of an Ne dom

    on a side note, I think you, like many people, misunderstand type 3 and are assigning characteristics to 3 which are, once again, E7. did you ever read that article I posted in the head center forum about what type 7 is really about?

    Sp is about
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    - comfort
    - security
    - domesticity/predictability
    - physical safety
    - competence
    - risk management

    also, my energy is very conflicted. many people who have talked to me over the phone said that I came off like an Sp/So at times.
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    @Starry

    I'm not as familiar with you Great One as I am @Elfboy...but you appear to have taken on some of Elfboy's misunderstandings as they are related to type. <--And when I say that I mean absolutely no disrespect to Elfboy and he knows this because I have said this to him many times. Elfboy is one hell of an *unique* individual... yet no matter how hard I may try haha...I can't not respect his tenacity and the fact that his strength is inherent and not dependent on anything outside of himself to sustain it. Now, he will come back here and say 'No Starry, I'm ENFP as fuck'...and I'll be here waiting for it. But I've only ever seen that brand of 'self-sustaining individualism' in the Fi dom. My point though is, I say what I say knowing full well he is strong enough to handle it (if he were to examine what I say at all)...and I can't not respect that. I also think anyone that underestimates his intelligence is foolish...but he is young and yes, I think he's got quite a bit wrong at this point in time. More than youth though, I've seen him provided a good deal of commentary regarding his type that, in my opinion, is really bad. But it's his powerful connection to e3 that I assign the majority of the blame. It's bizarre in a way because I see an incredible amount of integrity in him...yet at the exact same time he can also sorta become this or that because of that e3 bastard on his back. He'll work it out...there is no doubt in my mind
    1.Elfboy is an ENFP. I chat with him on the phone constantly and his mind moves like an Ne dom. The man's thoughts fly around everywhere at the speed of light. I don't get that with the INFP's that I chat with on the phone. Generally I find that the INFP's are much more quiet and their minds don't tend to bounce around as much. In addition the man uses way too much tertiary Te to be an INFP. The man constantly backs his ideas up with objective facts, and constantly uses a more universal group logic (Te) when illustrating his points. In addition, he's very good with objective thinking as well which is more reminiscent with Te as well.

    2. I don't think that Elfboy is a 3w4 core type either. The man's conscientious level is horrible and he almost never gets anything done. The 3w4's on the other hand tend to have a much higher conscientious level and tend to be much more focused. I do agree that he has a 3w4 fix though. Also, he also tends to relate a lot more to the struggles of the enneagram 7 type than he does type 3, which also makes me think he's not a core 3w4.

    As others here have said...sx isn't correlated with getting tons of play. If you only knew how many sx/sps are monks and other religious people (I don't know other titles haha). This stems from all the internal conflict...that neither of you have. Both of your energy flows freely all in one direction which is so/sx or sx/so. The sx/sp is also referred to as the wanderer. The internal conflict often causes them to completely disengage and search endlessly for that missing piece. Both of you seem quite present. Your energy and focus...Great One is scattered but it is scattered in the social realm. And being scattered in the social realm still means you can be over-sexed and desiring of things with which to 'protect' yourself with. I see zero self-preservational characteristics in you or Elfboy although Elfboy has the intensified focus of the sexual dom. Neither one of you present with those *snags* in energy that are the hallmark of sx/sp.
    This is a common problem that I run into at pretty much every enneagram site that I go to: no one can ever come up with a clear and definitive definition of the sx variant. There is one side of the fence that says that sx has to do with relationships, sex, desirability, dating, etc. Then there is the other side that says that none of these things have to do with sx. In fact, the other side says that sx is all about passion, intensity, and chemistry. In fact, a lot of people tell me that many sx doms are very happy being monks, priests, etc, and never have a relationship, date, have sex, or do anything to really create a deep bond with someone romantically and still live happy lives. I simply don't believe this. From my experience, the sx doms are generally obsessed, with sex, dating, relationships, desirability, and it seems like for them to give these things up would almost be unbearable to them. But anyway, I've noticed that the general trend on these sites is that people just wind up typing people based on their energy instead of what they say and what they desire because no one can ever come up with a definitive definition of sx, and because of this it's hard to make an accurate typing.

    And finally, Great One... I couldn't say for certain (and would actually be interested in seeing some test scores) what your actual MBTI is... but I know a glutton when I see one...being one myself. Still, it may take a while for all of this to unfold in you and Elfboy's preview. And I think that's fine.
    What type do you think I am then? ENFP maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    no @Starry, I'm ENFP as fuck
    the unconditional self assuredness is related to E7 and E8. it is also related to Fi, but not necessarily on a cognitive level. if you talked to me in person, you'd see I'm pretty extroverted and have the bouncy mind of an Ne dom

    on a side note, I think you, like many people, misunderstand type 3 and are assigning characteristics to 3 which are, once again, E7. did you ever read that article I posted in the head center forum about what type 7 is really about?

    Sp is about
    - survival
    - comfort
    - security
    - domesticity/predictability
    - physical safety
    - competence
    - risk management

    also, my energy is very conflicted. many people who have talked to me over the phone said that I came off like an Sp/So at times.
    It's true. You come off sp/so on the phone and sx/sp on skype: it's your voice man. However, Sx/sp with strong sp (wanderer) can come off sp/so very easily so it makes sense.

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    Sx firsts come across like happy monkeys with bananas.

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    I know that a lot of people on this thread are saying that I'm actually so/sx as opposed to an sx dom. However, there are a few things about myself that I would like to share with you all to help you to understand why I believe myself to be an sx dom.

    1. I've pretty much always craved intimacy ever since I was a child.

    When I was a child I was like a love sick puppy. All I cared about was finding a mate. In fact, when I was very young I would make up fantasy style tales of finding the perfect lover and how amazing it would be. This is literally all that I thought of as a child: I was literally like a Disney mother fucker. Hell, I remember when I was in grade school I even joined the school chorus to just to get with this one woman that I deeply cared for. It just made me so happy to be around her, lol. When I was around her, it was almost like a sense of pure ecstacy came over me. Well of course I did later get with the girl, but we later wound up breaking up due to our young age, lol.

    2. I think I've changed my relationship perspective a lot sense my mother and father's divorce.

    Again, when I was a child, I was a love sick puppy and was obsessed with being in a relationship. I remember when I was in high school, I wasn't looking for someone to just fuck or to even sexually experiment with: all that I was looking for is this one "perfect lover" that would complete me. To tell the truth, I was really looking for a wife in high school, and was pretty much a Twilight mother fucker. I never did find this perfect lover in high school, but I damn sure tried, lol.

    Anyway, my search for this one perfect lover continued until I was out of high school and then everything changed...forever. One of the reasons that I was so gung ho on finding a wife in high school was because my mother and father's relationship was so happy throughout my entire childhood. I thought to myself, "I want what my parents have, but I want that for myself.", so my search continued. However, in 2007 both of my parents went to jail, my mother then met a crackhead in jail who she fell in love with, brought her home, told us that she was just a friend that she was trying to help, and deceived us all. Long story short, my mother wound up selling everything that we cared about in the house (about $200,000.00) worth of stuff that my parents had accumulated throughout the years, left my father for this other woman, stole my car through a legal battle, and deserted us all. She did all of this within a period of 6 months. After seeing this, it left me feeling broken and scarred forever inside, and I now I found myself afraid of falling in love with a woman.

    Before, I never understood the concept of being a player: I didn't understand the concept of being with several women throughout your life. All that I really understood was the concept of finding this one perfect woman to spend the rest of your life with. However, after my parents divorce, I became somewhat of a player, and slept with a few girls. It's almost like I was deeply craving this strong sense of intimacy deep inside, and I needed these inner needs to be met. However, the sex felt empty inside, and it really didn't really feel good at all: I wasn't getting this strong sense of connection that I was so desperately craving inside. However, I was at least able to get at least "some of my needs" satisfied.

    I will say though in the last few years (it was during this time period that my car was completely taken and couldn't use it at all) that finding a lover has been very hard for me. I've been going to college and I've been constantly investing in my future and it hasn't given me much time to work as of late. So therefore, I really haven't had stable transportation or much money to really date, so trying to find a lover at the current moment has been difficult. I should say though, as of late, that I'm literally going FUCKING CRAZY inside because I'm so desperate to find someone special to be with. I've been stricken with crazy fucking impulses as of late that I'm now seeing a hypnotist to try to stop them. The impulses are so fucking crazy that I can't even talk about what they specifically are, but what I can say is that they could VERY EASILY get me arrested and thrown in jail for years and that terrifies me. What terrifies me even more is that I'm always so close to acting on them. It's like I'm getting to the point that I'm becoming completely counter-phobic and not giving a shit about anything right now. It's almost like my body deep inside is telling me that something is wrong and that there is something missing in my life. I'm so desperate to find a special woman in my life that I'm literally freaking out inside, and it feels like it is internally TEARING ME APART!

    However, one night recently, I met this Hispanic girl at a bar and started chatting with her. I thought that I had developed decent chemistry with her and I even got her number. Anyway, it didn't work out long story short. However, when we did get together and I started to feel close to her, all of my inner-most anxieties, my impulses, and everything just went away almost over-night and for a period of a week or so, I felt freed: I was freed from my inner cage of loneliness and I felt better than I have felt in years. Anyway, I now figure that if I can just find a lover, that my impulse problem will go away completely and I am working diligently on this project.

    Anyway, yeah this is why I think that I might be an sx dom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    I know that a lot of people on this thread are saying that I'm actually so/sx as opposed to an sx dom. However, there are a few things about myself that I would like to share with you all to help you to understand why I believe myself to be an sx dom.

    1. I've pretty much always craved intimacy ever since I was a child.

    When I was a child I was like a love sick puppy. All I cared about was finding a mate. In fact, when I was very young I would make up fantasy style tales of finding the perfect lover and how amazing it would be. This is literally all that I thought of as a child: I was literally like a Disney mother fucker. Hell, I remember when I was in grade school I even joined the school chorus to just to get with this one woman that I deeply cared for. It just made me so happy to be around her, lol. When I was around her, it was almost like a sense of pure ecstacy came over me. Well of course I did later get with the girl, but we later wound up breaking up due to our young age, lol.

    2. I think I've changed my relationship perspective a lot sense my mother and father's divorce.

    Again, when I was a child, I was a love sick puppy and was obsessed with being in a relationship. I remember when I was in high school, I wasn't looking for someone to just fuck or to even sexually experiment with: all that I was looking for is this one "perfect lover" that would complete me. To tell the truth, I was really looking for a wife in high school, and was pretty much a Twilight mother fucker. I never did find this perfect lover in high school, but I damn sure tried, lol.

    Anyway, my search for this one perfect lover continued until I was out of high school and then everything changed...forever. One of the reasons that I was so gung ho on finding a wife in high school was because my mother and father's relationship was so happy throughout my entire childhood. I thought to myself, "I want what my parents have, but I want that for myself.", so my search continued. However, in 2007 both of my parents went to jail, my mother then met a crackhead in jail who she fell in love with, brought her home, told us that she was just a friend that she was trying to help, and deceived us all. Long story short, my mother wound up selling everything that we cared about in the house (about $200,000.00) worth of stuff that my parents had accumulated throughout the years, left my father for this other woman, stole my car through a legal battle, and deserted us all. She did all of this within a period of 6 months. After seeing this, it left me feeling broken and scarred forever inside, and I now I found myself afraid of falling in love with a woman.

    Before, I never understood the concept of being a player: I didn't understand the concept of being with several women throughout your life. All that I really understood was the concept of finding this one perfect woman to spend the rest of your life with. However, after my parents divorce, I became somewhat of a player, and slept with a few girls. It's almost like I was deeply craving this strong sense of intimacy deep inside, and I needed these inner needs to be met. However, the sex felt empty inside, and it really didn't really feel good at all: I wasn't getting this strong sense of connection that I was so desperately craving inside. However, I was at least able to get at least "some of my needs" satisfied.

    I will say though in the last few years (it was during this time period that my car was completely taken and couldn't use it at all) that finding a lover has been very hard for me. I've been going to college and I've been constantly investing in my future and it hasn't given me much time to work as of late. So therefore, I really haven't had stable transportation or much money to really date, so trying to find a lover at the current moment has been difficult. I should say though, as of late, that I'm literally going FUCKING CRAZY inside because I'm so desperate to find someone special to be with. I've been stricken with crazy fucking impulses as of late that I'm now seeing a hypnotist to try to stop them. The impulses are so fucking crazy that I can't even talk about what they specifically are, but what I can say is that they could VERY EASILY get me arrested and thrown in jail for years and that terrifies me. What terrifies me even more is that I'm always so close to acting on them. It's like I'm getting to the point that I'm becoming completely counter-phobic and not giving a shit about anything right now. It's almost like my body deep inside is telling me that something is wrong and that there is something missing in my life. I'm so desperate to find a special woman in my life that I'm literally freaking out inside, and it feels like it is internally TEARING ME APART!

    However, one night recently, I met this Hispanic girl at a bar and started chatting with her. I thought that I had developed decent chemistry with her and I even got her number. Anyway, it didn't work out long story short. However, when we did get together and I started to feel close to her, all of my inner-most anxieties, my impulses, and everything just went away almost over-night and for a period of a week or so, I felt freed: I was freed from my inner cage of loneliness and I felt better than I have felt in years. Anyway, I now figure that if I can just find a lover, that my impulse problem will go away completely and I am working diligently on this project.

    Anyway, yeah this is why I think that I might be an sx dom.
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    1. your tired of being a walking ash tray
    2. your tired of feeling guilty every time you want to light up

    But with blu E-cigs you can enjoy smoking without affecting the people around you. Its vapor and not tobacco, that means no ash.
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    you can thank me later great one

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    @The Great One
    after talking to you for several months, I think Sx/Sp is a good fit for you. you're clearly not Sp last and you are obsessed with intense exchanges of energy.
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