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    Default You know you're self preservation when

    - your parents die and your first thoughts are "how am I going to survive now. how soon do I get my inheritance money so I can get back to my current lifestyle" even if you did love your parents and are sad that they're dead
    - the idea of altruism (placing the needs of others before your own) is quite puzzling to you
    - you're willing to do socially unacceptable things to get money and survive
    - your friend dies of a drug overdose and your first thoughts are "I need to find a way to get rid of the body so the police don't link the drugs to me" you will mourn his loss once you are out of harms way legally
    - when asked why you didn't join the military, your response was "well, I don't want to die" (no disrespect to people who are in the military, but it's sho as hell not something I would do)
    - if you are forced into the military via draft, you disert. patriotism is one thing, dying for your country is something else entirely
    - you would never fight someone head on unless you were cornered or had proper training in advance. if someone offends you enough for you to want to inflict harm on them, you sneak up on them and use a weapon of some sort
    - getting financially stable is your number 1 priority
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    - your parents die and your first thoughts are "how am I going to survive now. how soon do I get my inheritance money so I can get back to my current lifestyle" even if you did love your parents and are sad that they're dead
    - the idea of altruism (placing the needs of others before your own) is quite puzzling to you
    - you're willing to do socially unacceptable things to get money and survive
    - your friend dies of a drug overdose and your first thoughts are "I need to find a way to get rid of the body so the police don't link the drugs to me" you will mourn his loss once you are out of harms way legally
    - when asked why you didn't join the military, your response was "well, I don't want to die" (no disrespect to people who are in the military, but it's sho as hell not something I would do)
    - if you are forced into the military via draft, you disert. patriotism is one thing, dying for your country is something else entirely
    - you would never fight someone head on unless you were cornered or had proper training in advance. if someone offends you enough for you to want to inflict harm on them, you sneak up on them and use a weapon of some sort
    - getting financially stable is your number 1 priority
    1. If your parents died, the first thing you'd do is cry about money. Psychiatrist.
    2. Purely situational for some people. Even the "puzzled" do it without question sometimes.
    3. Define socially unacceptable.
    4. Would you really think of that as the first thing that happens to a friend who died? Ridding of the body would further ruin your chances of getting away from it. Can you say murder conspiracy?
    5. Many people are afraid of dying. This isn't self preservation, it's human.
    6. Perhaps you mean desert? You can't really determine being killed if you're in the military. You could be simply patrolling and "die for your country".
    7. Many people are afraid of fighting. Fight or flight isn't exactly a state of mind. Sneaking up on someone with a weapon is a horrible idea as it is a crime and you're likely to have problems with being arrested if you're "self preservation".
    8. Self preservation isn't always about money. Yes, being financially stable helps, but there are other things. Health for example.

    I see all your arguments as severely lacking and you perhaps if these are your views on life you need to readjust your attitude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by esidebill View Post
    1. If your parents died, the first thing you'd do is cry about money. Psychiatrist.
    2. Purely situational for some people. Even the "puzzled" do it without question sometimes.
    3. Define socially unacceptable.
    4. Would you really think of that as the first thing that happens to a friend who died? Ridding of the body would further ruin your chances of getting away from it. Can you say murder conspiracy?
    5. Many people are afraid of dying. This isn't self preservation, it's human.
    6. Perhaps you mean desert? You can't really determine being killed if you're in the military. You could be simply patrolling and "die for your country".
    7. Many people are afraid of fighting. Fight or flight isn't exactly a state of mind. Sneaking up on someone with a weapon is a horrible idea as it is a crime and you're likely to have problems with being arrested if you're "self preservation".
    8. Self preservation isn't always about money. Yes, being financially stable helps, but there are other things. Health for example.

    I see all your arguments as severely lacking and you perhaps if these are your views on life you need to readjust your attitude.
    arguments? who said this was a debate? in response to your points though
    1) I can't help but feel this is a little judgemental
    2) true
    3) it's rather self explanatory really, socially unacceptable activities are activities that society looks down upon. an example of what I was talking about would be getting money via being a pimp or a gold digger to survive and increase your standard of living
    4) if I could end up going to jail for murder or drug possession, yes.
    5) being afraid of dying is self preservation, even if it's not your dominant variant, it is still the reason we fear death
    6) exactly, that's my point
    7) same as point 5
    8) I didn't say being self preservation means you're all about money. I said being all about money means you're self preservation.

    these are not views, they are priorities. being self preservation dominant means that safety, food, clothing, lifestyle and finances are your top priority, even if you do care about people intimately or enjoy taking part in social groups. all 3 areas are usually important to everyone. that's why people who are very well off and live complete lives are harder to type in terms of instinct variants. it's most noticable in the lower classes where people have limited recources and have to make more choices with them.
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    If I may Elfish one...

    - your parents die and your first thoughts are "how am I going to survive now. how soon do I get my inheritance money so I can get back to my current lifestyle" even if you did love your parents and are sad that they're dead
    First? No.

    - the idea of altruism (placing the needs of others before your own) is quite puzzling to you
    It's not puzzling, it's unbelievable, even when we do good we do it for the happy-warm feelings we get in our belly.

    - you're willing to do socially unacceptable things to get money and survive
    Why would I care about what's socially acceptable?

    - your friend dies of a drug overdose and your first thoughts are "I need to find a way to get rid of the body so the police don't link the drugs to me" you will mourn his loss once you are out of harms way legally
    Absurd, I can't relate in the slightest... I'm not into drugs.

    - when asked why you didn't join the military, your response was "well, I don't want to die" (no disrespect to people who are in the military, but it's sho as hell not something I would do)
    I joined the military.

    - if you are forced into the military via draft, you disert. patriotism is one thing, dying for your country is something else entirely
    Fighting for my country is one thing, and a thing that I am willing to do, dying for my country is something a tad different.

    - you would never fight someone head on unless you were cornered or had proper training in advance. if someone offends you enough for you to want to inflict harm on them, you sneak up on them and use a weapon of some sort
    Well they may break my pretty face stealth reduces the chances of broken pretty face is all.

    - getting financially stable is your number 1 priority
    Nah, I'm terrible with finances and kinda ok with that.

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    speak for yourself there, not sp in general

    (though I would try to get rid of any evidence of my presence if a friend died of an overdose... I'll admit that panic would be my first reaction- I have no desire to ever run afoul with The Man again! )

    in general though, I tend to care about other people as well as myself and I'm actually quite nice
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    speak for yourself there, not sp in general

    (though I would try to get rid of any evidence of my presence if a friend died of an overdose... I'll admit that panic would be my first reaction- I have no desire to ever run afoul with The Man again! )

    in general though, I tend to care about other people as well as myself and I'm actually quite nice
    I don't believe we're in disagreement
    these are not views, they are priorities. being self preservation dominant means that safety, food, clothing, lifestyle and finances are your top priority, even if you do care about people intimately or enjoy taking part in social groups
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    I really don't care about things... building a safe little nest is somewhere near the bottom of my interest list (it falls below getting in fights with people or enjoying partaking in dangerous activities for sure!) And money has never been that important to me either- living a life that I don't regret living is my highest priority
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    I'm sp and those are absurd - and suggest sociopathic tendencies, too, if you're not exaggerating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    in general though, I tend to care about other people as well as myself and I'm actually quite nice
    Being nice isn't associated with either caring about others of putting oneself first imo, it's another thing altogether. Personally I believe I fit into all three categories.

    I care about people, from strangers who have no ill will to those who are as close as someone can get to me, but I still have a layer between them an me of self protection whereby I will look out for my self interests when needed. On top of that I try to always be I'm nice about it. Good?

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    yes, but the OP didn't seem to think that you could be SP and be a decent person

    I'm nice, I help out other people on a daily basis and things of that sort... but yes, I have my personal barrier of protection that lies between the public face and what lies beneath that... I don't intend to be anyone's fool
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