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    I was trying to relay this idea to Joe at the meet up as he seems very interested in the variants, but it was difficult to do so. I thought I would make a thread.

    I believe that in psychology the variants are possibly more important than people would assume, however the theory is wrong.

    As I see it there is no one variant that people will act from all the time. They are circumstantial, yet no less important.

    My theory is that there are thee main instinctual variants that govern the actions of all people, at all times. Whenever someone acts, their action can be traced to one of the following three motivations: self preservation, reproduction, or status.

    Self preservation is the ability to govern ones self outside of external circumstance. Its motivations are to protect the self, represent the self, and independence.

    Reproduction, is as it sounds. To make oneself more fitting to attract or secure a mate.

    Status, is a softer variant, as it combines the two previous. Instinctively someone who can climb to the top ensures greater protection and more chances to reproduce. Someone of status, can fear as much as death falling from it, while someone without can crave it.

    My theory is that if you look at any act, of any person, at any given time, you will see one of these three factors as the base motivation behind it. In this, people can be quite predictable at times.

    There is a way someone will act when trying to achieve any of these three goals. However, not every situation calls for the same motivation, also it is unlikely that someone would operate from one level at all times, unless extremely unhealthy.

    In these instinctual variants, we can finally tune into the concepts of value. With the combination or denial of any of the three factors compared to the circumstances, we can get a sense of the value that one person places upon a cause, and how they will react to it (instinctively), causing the effect.

    In this, people are pretty simple beings. Also, the projection of ones own instinctual reaction may be compared to another's, and this is where we get disconnection of value so many people argue upon. It is all subjective.

    Anyway the point was. The instinctual variants of enneagram were the start of a great theory, but most certainly underdeveloped.

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    At times I feel like there is something to these instinctual variants... but I honestly have a hard time distinguishing which one fits me, as they all seem to fit me. I also have a hard time believing that one can be incredibly weak in comparison to the other two. For me, I feel as though they are all very equally strong. But maybe I'm wrong.
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    Was given this test to take again today and got these results.

    Sexual |||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 86%
    Social |||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 82%
    Self Preservation ||||||||||||||| 42%

    I think these are more accurate for me than any of the other tests (MBTI, enneagram, etc) I've taken. Just feels that way.

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    with that said, I am unhappy with those results. I wonder if it's possible to change your variants. I really want to. I'd much rather be sp/so/sx.

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    Giggly, your link seems to be broken.

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    Fixed. Try again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndyAnnaJoan View Post
    At times I feel like there is something to these instinctual variants... but I honestly have a hard time distinguishing which one fits me, as they all seem to fit me. I also have a hard time believing that one can be incredibly weak in comparison to the other two. For me, I feel as though they are all very equally strong. But maybe I'm wrong.
    Exactly. The variants suck as a typing system. They are excellent for getting to know people.

    If you look at when they chose to act from each variant and get to know how.

    The complexity of the human mind can be very simple to dissect.

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    But how can one truly figure out their own or anyone else's variant stackings?

    On one of those test, my SP and SX were at about 75 to 78%, and my SO rated lower... about 48%. But the description for introverted SO's really sounded a lot like me.

    I can see with some people, where one might stand out much stronger than another... but I don't know if I can believe that all people will have one in particular as a motivation. Can't people be pretty balanced? I think most people have a need for all three pretty equally.
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    Right, there is no stacking.

    If you want to understand the variants, at least as I see them. First you only have to know how to recognize them. Then you can become aware of which ones are employed under which circumstances. Figure out the common themes behind each variant reaction, then you get a pretty simplified idea of which variant will be employed in what cases and why.

    Then it just becomes predictable. You see a common theme rising, you can bet, your first reaction will be to act from the variant associated with it.


    It really is a more personalized system. No one is going to act in such a simple stacked model. Like I said, if you get to know how to recognize them, you and others become very simplified beings.

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