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    Default introverted social variant types

    For the longest time it never occurred to me that I could be a social type because I have a tendency to be antisocial. Most 'groups' repulse me. I even read the description of the social four type and although it resonated the most of all the variants, I figured no, because I spend most of my time by myself.

    I suspect most introverted social variant types are the same way, especially if they are unhealthy. My guess is we easily veer toward misanthropy.

    Other social variant types who are introverts- what's it like for you?

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    I guess what I'm saying here is that perhaps introverted persons of the social variant type are less obviously "social". We may, in fact, not seem particularly social at all. As a four, I think the social component just makes me feel more different, more alone. I have as of yet to find a place that feels right, and yet I keep searching, because I guess I want it to some extent, but in an introverted sort of way- on occasion, with limits. Anyone else experience this?

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    One's dominant variant indicates the direction(s) in which energy flows most consciously rather than exists as a defining characteristic of the individual in question.

    The ease with which an so/sx rises and drops anchor is pretty striking in comparison, their ability to feel enough immediately to allow more than occasional warmth to bubble up and release ideas (formed or not), roll with the punches, allows them become a noticeable part of their environment rather than one which slips into it (so/sp).

    I experience ease in situations which I've actively taken measures to draw up by utilizing already-formed contacts, which more than likely means there'll be tolerable conditions. But if you'd like more than tolerable conditions (you know, with others who share similar levels of curiosity, are interested in shared discoveries, knitting patterns, etc.), it comes down to recognizing opportune moments, reading cues in the right figures, ASKING FOR ADVICE, as they could be (and likely are) hiding remarkably specialized networks.

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    I take more notice of things like social standing and hierarchy. I don't necessarily agree with all of it and I do think much of the time we'd be better off without all that shit but I do notice things like power structures among people. For instance, I find it easy and instinctive to identify the most powerful person in a room.

    I think in some ways I'm more group oriented than the average introvert. I'm not one to just blindly conform but I do like feeling like I belong in groups- especially in groups that share common interests in values. I enjoy being in such groups.

    For better or worse I tend to compare myself to the public at large a lot. I think alot about how I'm coming across to others and care what others think of me, even those I barely know and unlikely to ever meet again. I think this is the downside of being social first. It makes me rather self-conscious in public at times.

    It's important for me to know that I'm serving some useful role in society. I want to make a lasting contribution that will continue to carry on long after I've died.

    Given the choice I prefer to have a large number of acquaintances rather than a few close friends. I tend to put on a friendly, upbeat demeanor when meeting new people for the first time yet at the same time I'm guarded. I'm careful not to reveal too much personal about myself too soon. (I'm also SX last)

    I think compared to other enneagram 5's, I'm more extraverted than most of them. Yet, like most fives, I definitely need a sufficient amount of quiet "me" time to feel whole.
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    Such Irony,

    I relate very much to what you say, especially about self-consciousness and caring what others think of you. I'd have to say, though, I like having both a few close friends and a good number of acquaintances. I do spend most of my time by myself; then with my husband, kids, and then I have a couple of friends who I see every once in awhile. Then I have even more friends I see even more infrequently because they live far away. I think the thing is I like having all of these social contacts, but spending an hour or so with someone is typically enough for me, as opposed to my extroverted husband who can see someone all day and then the next and next... For this reason I haven't worked outside the home in years. Having to be with not only people, but people who will potentially irritate me, day after day... well, it stresses me out.

    So I guess that's what I mean by introverted social variants not seeming particularly social. As you said, candyland joe, the instinctual variant is what you find yourself paying attention to. I'm guessing what you're doing in the last paragraph is giving advice as to how to find a social group? I probably painted myself as more of an outcast than I really feel I am. I know how to have conversations, be polite, etc. I have friends, etc. I think it's more a longing to find my group, my place- probably a very social four thing to feel- having friends but still feeling left out, longing for something else instead of fully appreciating what you have.

    Are you saying so/sx types operate with greater facility in the social realm than so/sp? Like so/sps need the ideal conditions to feel comfortable?

    It seems like there are few social types on here. I find this interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainheart View Post
    Such Irony,

    I relate very much to what you say, especially about self-consciousness and caring what others think of you. I'd have to say, though, I like having both a few close friends and a good number of acquaintances. I do spend most of my time by myself; then with my husband, kids, and then I have a couple of friends who I see every once in awhile. Then I have even more friends I see even more infrequently because they live far away. I think the thing is I like having all of these social contacts, but spending an hour or so with someone is typically enough for me, as opposed to my extroverted husband who can see someone all day and then the next and next... For this reason I haven't worked outside the home in years. Having to be with not only people, but people who will potentially irritate me, day after day... well, it stresses me out.

    So I guess that's what I mean by introverted social variants not seeming particularly social. As you said, candyland joe, the instinctual variant is what you find yourself paying attention to. I'm guessing what you're doing in the last paragraph is giving advice as to how to find a social group? I probably painted myself as more of an outcast than I really feel I am. I know how to have conversations, be polite, etc. I have friends, etc. I think it's more a longing to find my group, my place- probably a very social four thing to feel- having friends but still feeling left out, longing for something else instead of fully appreciating what you have.

    Are you saying so/sx types operate with greater facility in the social realm than so/sp? Like so/sps need the ideal conditions to feel comfortable?

    It seems like there are few social types on here. I find this interesting.
    Yeah. Take note of whenever and however your sp instinct kicks in, so you know how to recognize and differentiate between

    so/sp, sx/sp, (primary extroverted variant)
    sp/so (complimentary supporting variant)
    [ideal]

    and

    so/sx, sx/so (lack of shared supporting variant)
    sp/sx individuals (opposite stacking)
    [not-as-ideal]

    which lends toward development of some sort of framework similar to what I've provided, particularly imperative for anyone with self-preservation as their primary or supporting to understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by candylandjoe View Post
    Yeah. Take note of whenever and however your sp instinct kicks in, so you know how to recognize and differentiate between

    so/sp, sx/sp, (primary extroverted variant)
    sp/so (complimentary supporting variant)
    [ideal]

    and

    so/sx, sx/so (lack of shared supporting variant)
    sp/sx individuals (opposite stacking)
    [not-as-ideal]

    which lends toward development of some sort of framework similar to what I've provided, particularly imperative for anyone with self-preservation as their primary or supporting to understand.
    You speak in code, candyland joe. Are you speaking of others in your framework here, like those with the sexual variant in the top two aren't good for those without to be around? Why? Where are you getting your information about this? Expound, please.

    I'm fairly certain I go the order so/sp/sx, but I'm not positive. I think all fours can seem fairly sx to themselves and others, kind of as all 5s can seem pretty sp, no matter the order of the variant. So to say no sx interaction seems a bit odd to me. I mean, the sp variant in fours is even wacko, it makes you be the opposite- more risky, tempted by the tragic romance of death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainheart View Post
    You speak in code, candyland joe. Are you speaking of others in your framework here, like those with the sexual variant in the top two aren't good for those without to be around? Why? Where are you getting your information about this? Expound, please.

    I'm fairly certain I go the order so/sp/sx, but I'm not positive. I think all fours can seem fairly sx to themselves and others, kind of as all 5s can seem pretty sp, no matter the order of the variant. So to say no sx interaction seems a bit odd to me. I mean, the sp variant in fours is even wacko, it makes you be the opposite- more risky, tempted by the tragic romance of death.
    The concept's pretty simple, or else I wouldn't be able to explain it.

    For an so/sp, think
    enfp:so/sp with enfp:so/sp
    ----------------entp:sx/sp
    ----------------or istp:sp/so

    (extend the analogy much further and original intent fades)

    Does that paint a more helpful picture?

    Applicable across the entire enneagram, though sure, shades of gray in the surface form of etype, mbtitype, and triadtype-related requirements exist, naturally.

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    I've actually been debating my own instinctual variant recently. How can a quiet introvert fully decide if SO is in the cards for them or not. I had always considered myself more SX/SP... SP/SX was always considered... but after reading more on SP/SO... I could see that as fitting as well.


    I also feel as though a lot of the information online is limited on the topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IndyAnnaJoan View Post
    I've actually been debating my own instinctual variant recently. How can a quiet introvert fully decide if SO is in the cards for them or not. I had always considered myself more SX/SP... SP/SX was always considered... but after reading more on SP/SO... I could see that as fitting as well.


    I also feel as though a lot of the information online is limited on the topic.
    Yes, the information online is limited. I always thought of myself as sp/sx or sx/sp as well, but that's because for some reason the idea is put out there that social variants are extroverted. Social variants are focused on their place in society, that's all- you can be an involved, outgoing social variant, or you can be a withdrawn, antisocial social variant. Or you can be somewhere in-between, really. For me, being a social variant means that I am way more concerned about other people's reactions to me than I would like to admit, and I feel this need to do something of social impact. I never create entirely for myself. I feel this need for reaction, acknowledgment, approval.

    Sometimes I am a total hermit. I have gone years without close friends, where even the minor interaction with the grocery clerk makes me nervous. Sometimes I feel quite comfortable in social situations, smile a lot, am charming, amicable. Either way, when I step out of doors, I usually feel as if all eyes are on me.

    I recommend these sites for figuring out your instinctual variant:

    http://www.enneagramcentral.com/Enne...r%20Social.htm

    http://www.enneagramcentral.com/Enne...20Intimate.htm

    http://www.enneagramcentral.com/Enne...eservation.htm

    http://www.9types.com/descr/4/ (Go to the 'Are you my type?' section)



    Another thing... I think the stackings can be seriously confusing. I think the most important thing is to find your dominant variant. If you feel the need to go beyond that, cool, but I know for me the sp and sx seem pretty even, while the influence of the social variant on me is huge.

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