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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCat View Post
    Well typical extroversion is actually the social instinct in the enneagram. Extroversion in typology basically is how you're energized. Extroverts in typology are energized by the external world. Which doesn't have to be people. So I imagine an sx/sp extrovert does a lot of things alone to not go insane.

    I'm not aware of any statistics when it comes to the percents of the instincts. That would be interesting though!
    Oh, I get it (I think)! This begins to answer some of the questions in my OP. If I understand correctly, in the Enneagram, "so" would essentially be an extrovert, while sp and sx would be more introverted, or drawn to the inner world.

    So, an ENTP sx/sp would probably like to be alone or in more intimate small group settings, yet energized by the outside world. It still seems like a difficult situation to be in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTPness View Post
    Oh, I get it (I think)! This begins to answer some of the questions in my OP. If I understand correctly, in the Enneagram, "so" would essentially be an extrovert, while sp and sx would be more introverted, or drawn to the inner world.

    So, an ENTP sx/sp would probably like to be alone or in more intimate small group settings, yet energized by the outside world. It still seems like a difficult situation to be in.
    I think so, thats where I struggle as an ISTP so/sx. I think an ISTP sx/sp would struggle with sp as it comes across to me as more of a J trait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTPness View Post
    Oh, I get it (I think)! This begins to answer some of the questions in my OP. If I understand correctly, in the Enneagram, "so" would essentially be an extrovert, while sp and sx would be more introverted, or drawn to the inner world.

    So, an ENTP sx/sp would probably like to be alone or in more intimate small group settings, yet energized by the outside world. It still seems like a difficult situation to be in.
    Well sx is sort of neutral. sp doesn't make someone a typical "introvert," my best friend is an sp/so and he seems kind of in between the typical introvert and extrovert. I would say that social last people are the typical "introvert," while social firsts are the typical "extrovert." Social second people may seem in between (sx/so leaning more towards extrovert, sp/so leaning more towards introvert).

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCat View Post
    Social second people may seem in between (sx/so leaning more towards extrovert, sp/so leaning more towards introvert).
    It seems like instinctual variant can be flavored by type also. I'm 4w5 (I think) and also sp/so, and fairly introverted...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCat View Post
    Well sx is sort of neutral. sp doesn't make someone a typical "introvert," my best friend is an sp/so and he seems kind of in between the typical introvert and extrovert. I would say that social last people are the typical "introvert," while social firsts are the typical "extrovert." Social second people may seem in between (sx/so leaning more towards extrovert, sp/so leaning more towards introvert).
    This is very interesting; it explains why I mistook my boyfriend, who is an ESTJ sp/sx, for an introvert for a very long time. At first I had a vibe that he's an extrovert, but getting to know him better, I found out he's got a huge need for alone time (he self-describes himself as a "loner"), which made me sure he's an introvert even though his Te seemed as strong as his Si and his Ne was also suspiciously high. But later it dawned on me that Te is unmistakeably his dom-function, while Ne is the other function through witch he connects with the world. Also, he seems to really enjoy "organizing" random people, and even though he's not too "social" in the common sense of the word, he does like being in the mix of friends - in fact, he seems more comfortable when he's among his not-too-close friends than when he's alone with me. -_-;;; (I'm glad his extroverstion clarified it a little...) He's clearly energizied by the outside world, which doesn't mean he has to love partying etc. I think it must be kind of strange for an extrovert to be a social last, though - it's sort of a paradox.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Space_Oddity View Post
    This is very interesting; it explains why I mistook my boyfriend, who is an ESTJ sp/sx, for an introvert for a very long time. At first I had a vibe that he's an extrovert, but getting to know him better, I found out he's got a huge need for alone time (he self-describes himself as a "loner"), which made me sure he's an introvert even though his Te seemed as strong as his Si and his Ne was also suspiciously high. But later it dawned on me that Te is unmistakeably his dom-function, while Ne is the other function through witch he connects with the world. Also, he seems to really enjoy "organizing" random people, and even though he's not too "social" in the common sense of the word, he does like being in the mix of friends - in fact, he seems more comfortable when he's among his not-too-close friends than when he's alone with me. -_-;;; (I'm glad his extroverstion clarified it a little...) He's clearly energizied by the outside world, which doesn't mean he has to love partying etc. I think it must be kind of strange for an extrovert to be a social last, though - it's sort of a paradox.
    That doesn't sound like social last to me. I'd guess sx last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTPness View Post
    Wow - hard to imagine how difficult that might be. What's it like being an extrovert, but not being able to connect to the vast majority of people? I haven't come across many people in my life who want that deep, intimate connection, but I'm an introvert so I can just go back into my hole and pretty much be fine (although I still desire it and look for it). As an extrovert, you're naturally more drawn to people, but perhaps struggle to find it.

    It's frustrating. And it makes it very easy for certain people to hurt me, if they choose to. I have been hurt this way many times, so it makes me conscious of not getting too deep into contact unless I can see a good end. No matter how much I'm drawn to someone, if I get a clear indicator that the relationship won't go well, I'll limit my contact on purpose in the interest of practicality.

    But I have found several amazing connections, and they're always like finding oases in the desert. And even better because they're rare. Right now, I'm thinking "there are many people out there to unite with (whether short or long term), and I have a chance to meet some of them."

    I'm helped a bit by my T preference, so although I love intimate connection, my true love is realizing ideas. If I were going to describe a perfect situation, it would be someone I can connect with intimately and realize ideas with. I don't know if I'll find a partner like this, but it sounds like bliss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlahBlahNounBlah View Post
    It's frustrating. And it makes me very easy for certain people to hurt me, if they choose to. I have been hurt this way many times, so it makes me conscious of not getting too deep into contact unless I can see a good end. No matter how much I'm drawn to someone, if I get a clear indicator that the relationship won't go well, I'll limit my contact on purpose in the interest of practicality.

    But I have found several amazing connections, and they're always like finding oases in the desert. And even better because they're rare. Right now, I'm thinking "there are many people out there to unite with (whether short or long term), and I have a chance to meet some of them."

    I'm helped a bit by my T preference, so although I love intimate connection, my true love is realizing ideas. If I were going to describe a perfect situation, it would be someone I can connect with intimately and realize ideas with. I don't know if I'll find a partner like this, but it sounds like bliss.

    Yeah, frustration and pain seems to be a big part of this instinct setup. I believe I feel similar about the bolded as well - it would be nice...
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    Quote Originally Posted by compulsiverambler View Post
    That doesn't sound like social last to me. I'd guess sx last.
    Well, I probably slightly over-emphasized the characteristics you underlined, but thinking about it more, he actually might be sp/so... If so, sorry for the mystification ><;;; But I don't think his social instinct is too prominent anyway; I've definitely met some ESTJs who were far, far more "so" then him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Space_Oddity View Post
    This is very interesting; it explains why I mistook my boyfriend, who is an ESTJ sp/sx, for an introvert for a very long time. At first I had a vibe that he's an extrovert, but getting to know him better, I found out he's got a huge need for alone time (he self-describes himself as a "loner"), which made me sure he's an introvert even though his Te seemed as strong as his Si and his Ne was also suspiciously high. But later it dawned on me that Te is unmistakeably his dom-function, while Ne is the other function through witch he connects with the world. Also, he seems to really enjoy "organizing" random people, and even though he's not too "social" in the common sense of the word, he does like being in the mix of friends - in fact, he seems more comfortable when he's among his not-too-close friends than when he's alone with me. -_-;;; (I'm glad his extroverstion clarified it a little...) He's clearly energizied by the outside world, which doesn't mean he has to love partying etc. I think it must be kind of strange for an extrovert to be a social last, though - it's sort of a paradox.
    this is a very interesting notion. estj sp first. i know an estj who i'd speculate is 8w9. i'd put him as sp/so. it's very interesting for me to consider.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlahBlahNounBlah View Post
    It's frustrating. And it makes it very easy for certain people to hurt me, if they choose to. I have been hurt this way many times, so it makes me conscious of not getting too deep into contact unless I can see a good end. No matter how much I'm drawn to someone, if I get a clear indicator that the relationship won't go well, I'll limit my contact on purpose in the interest of practicality.

    But I have found several amazing connections, and they're always like finding oases in the desert. And even better because they're rare. Right now, I'm thinking "there are many people out there to unite with (whether short or long term), and I have a chance to meet some of them."

    I'm helped a bit by my T preference, so although I love intimate connection, my true love is realizing ideas. If I were going to describe a perfect situation, it would be someone I can connect with intimately and realize ideas with. I don't know if I'll find a partner like this, but it sounds like bliss.

    how do you describe the differences for an sp last entp when moving on? you do get hurt, or take it to heart, more than most other entps? and the w6 creates a strong emphasis on the vulnerability of others, where it is easier to recognize what is difficult to directly address in yourself?

    i think i know one entp 7w6 sx/sp. she was in my rhetoric class and we immediately hit it off. she got nervous when doing a presentation, which i found odd, bc she has absolutely no problem making an ass of herself, and she can think on her feet really well. yet if i compare the experience to myself, and tho i admittely am less comfortable free-wheeling with no direction bc my organization is based on Fe not Ne, and tho it is perhaps as a result easier for me to be disarming naturally and unconsciously but perhaps less consciously/strategically so, the sp to me just creates this limit that feels threatening and stressful. i can communicate as openly or loosely with one person as anyone else can. with two to three i am still very free. in a class of 10 i'm ok, especially if i have some strong foundation with another person. in a class of 20, i get nervous when i speak in front of them. why- i keep asking myself this question. but i think it's just the sp is constantly worried about over-extended, managing all the Fe impressions of others,, recognizing the quality of story as it is happening, etc but with a strong sx dom getting to where you want to go (kind of impatiently) energy.

    i also resonate with the beginning paragraph of self-limiting. i started a thread on so/sx bc i tend to have insecurities with so/sx. and i realized much of this is that if i were to read myself into the situation, i would see problems that would cause hurt everywhere. i feel like i am learning that i need to limit myself purposefully as well, that allowing relationships to go unchecked may be a learning experience but may not suit my best interests or those i care about. it's not a problem for everyone, it's a problem for me bc it's difficult to be half-in or half-assedly out. i don't naturally enjoy distance, i want to destroy it. i am not content and i always desire more.

    this tension is really fucking frustrating. bc this kind of energy is what draws me to people (the world) at all. others are exciting in that they can catalyze my energies, i can identify something i want, and then the experience of exploring and attaining those goals, and developing new and unexpected ones, keeps me unbored, passionate, etc. balancing being driven by your own desiring core and being balanced, grounded, more earthy and capable of slowness, being wise, etc, is a principle problem i will face the rest of my life. it's like, i go to tai chi, then i hope to be able to work faster and learn more and get more done, absorb more, go faster and faster- it's always just about those goddamned steroids, in a figurative sense.

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