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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaqcues Le Paul View Post
    It's a data base of "Criminals", plenty of people will end up on it under absurd reasons. Like for example the four year old boy who ended up as a sex offender. I actually remember a thread about it here on this forum too.
    give examples,

    and yes I agree 4 year olds should not ever be on a sex offender list

    but there's also the argument of there's going to be a lot of legit people plus first offense is 3 years so if you did something stupid you learn from it and you're off the list in 3 years and I've lived without a pet longer than 3 years. I miss having a pet, but i survived. and the more times you get on the list the longer you stay.also if someone really wants a pet they'll find a way, it will just be harder for them to do so
    In no likes experiment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    I don't think that animal abuse is a gateway to human abuse, but those with abusive tendencies would be inclined to mistreat both animals and people. Cataloging those who have a history of exploiting or neglecting animals would likely highlight numerous individuals who wouldn't think twice about harming you or I. It's a matter of temperament. Furthermore, I really would appreciate a means to figuring out if, for instance, my next door neighbor has a poor history with animals before I ask them to take care of my pet for the weekend.
    This is speculation, and not consistent enough to use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    This is speculation, and not consistent enough to use.
    Maybe for someone who doesn't give a shit about animals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    Maybe for someone who doesn't give a shit about animals.
    But it is though. Laws should not be created on a unsupported "pattern". If there is actual evidence that supports showing that those who abuse animals may go on to abuse people, then maybe it could be considered. Even then though I'd hesitate to use that as a reason behind it unless there was a very strong link.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    But it is though. Laws should not be created on a unsupported "pattern". If there is actual evidence that supports showing that those who abuse animals may go on to abuse people, then maybe it could be considered. Even then though I'd hesitate to use that as a reason behind it unless there was a very strong link.
    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/...t-harming-pets
    http://www.humanesociety.org/issues/...ction_faq.html

    While I agree that correlation does not equal causation, and that this law shouldn't be implemented just for the purposes of sniffing out those who would engage in general domestic violence, I do believe that human beings and animals should be given many of the same rights. Animal rights are the crux of the issue here. If we take into account those who have a history of abuse, then breeders, livestock owners, and portions of the meat industry will be given reason not only to protect their investments, but to ensure the quality of their products. Everyone benefits.

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    While it would be a bonus feature that humans benefit from this law too, it isn't always about us.

    Animals have a pulse, feel pain, get forced against their will, exploited and suffer everyday because we can't be bothered to see that, or take their wishes and wellbeing into account. They aren't objects for us to take our frustrations out on, to be kicked when we cannot be mature enough to deal with life, or tossed away and left to starve because we cannot be responsible enough to care for them, despite having paid for them and literally owning them - after making them entirely dependable on us.

    It's the modern form of accepted slavery with all its entitled power-hungry, sadistic, impulse-buying perks that goes unchecked. And it is funny how nobody bats an eye at this, while we gasp in horror at people trafficking humans and forcing them to bend to their 'owners' will.

    I honestly could care less about what it does to the humans reputation if he feels the need to abuse an animal. To me, this reasoning is akin to one used so the rich kid with the important daddy can get away with rape because the police commissioner decided she asked for it and he does not need this kind of bullshit on his record as it might jeopardise his bright future. Besides, the article clearly states that there will be a record of what the offence entailed, giving you an idea of how severe the crime was.

    You do the crime, you do the time. It is as simple as that.

    This registry is a start at least - animal rights and especially their execution wrt removing the power and privileges people hold at their expense atm still has a long way to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    give examples,

    and yes I agree 4 year olds should not ever be on a sex offender list

    but there's also the argument of there's going to be a lot of legit people plus first offense is 3 years so if you did something stupid you learn from it and you're off the list in 3 years and I've lived without a pet longer than 3 years. I miss having a pet, but i survived. and the more times you get on the list the longer you stay.also if someone really wants a pet they'll find a way, it will just be harder for them to do so
    I wish I bookmarked articles I saw to provide examples, but I do not.

    Though why not start with something like an expanded database of child abusers then for one?

    This seems more like politicians trying to make themselves look better to me. As people haven't gotten their own acts together, so why try to go around protecting everything else strongly so soon?

    As while in theory this has it's merits, but in practice I fear it'd be much more different. As while the country is more akin to innocent until proven guilty, the people aren't. So I wouldn't support or be specifically against something like this. Since one innocent person's life shouldn't be ruined, even for the sake of hindering nine guilty ones.
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    If this gets people to think twice about abusing an animal, I am all for it.

    Does the database apply only to household pets or also to victims of barbaric factory farming practices though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by senza tema View Post
    If this gets people to think twice about abusing an animal, I am all for it.

    Does the database apply only to household pets or also to victims of barbaric factory farming practices though?
    I imagine just for household pets
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaqcues Le Paul View Post
    I wish I bookmarked articles I saw to provide examples, but I do not.

    Though why not start with something like an expanded database of child abusers then for one?

    This seems more like politicians trying to make themselves look better to me. As people haven't gotten their own acts together, so why try to go around protecting everything else strongly so soon?

    As while in theory this has it's merits, but in practice I fear it'd be much more different. As while the country is more akin to innocent until proven guilty, the people aren't. So I wouldn't support or be specifically against something like this. Since one innocent person's life shouldn't be ruined, even for the sake of hindering nine guilty ones.
    so you're saying that it's bad because people might be innocent and get on it? so should prison be illegal, because people sometimes get convicted when they're innocent?

    this seems a lot less harmful than going to prison, it's just you can't own a pet for 2 years. that's really not that bad

    you have admitted that their would probably be more guilty people on it.

    Also they're not going to die, it's 2 years on the list, trust me we live on average 90 years that's a miniscule part of life.

    if they were going to have the same crimes done to them that they're being accused of I'd be on your side. As it stands now, honestly I just don't think saying we shouldn't have this list because someone might get on the list who's innocent isn't a very good argument to me. considering the conciquences


    I agreed our legal system is fucked up: an innocent person who has no money is more likely to go to prison than a guilty person who is rich. It's because we're taught from early on that people with money are more important than people without. So the way to change that is, to teach the children that money is important to an extent but it shouldn't define who you are. and rip down the delusions in society that makes everyone thinks that money defines that.
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