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    I like the idea of this, but I don't understand why they don't eat dairy? I love dairy.

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    In Paleolithic times, humans hadn't yet domesticated animals, so they didn't get milk from animals.

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    Because a lot of people can't handle dairy, just like a lot of people suddenly can't handle gluten. So they decided to just eliminate it. Then after that, they made up some BS excuse, found some research that supported it, and were off to the races.

    Maybe you could try the Mediterranean diet. That allows dairy in smaller portions.

    By the way, what really matters is proper food combining (search for food combining), and portion sizing. If you combine food properly and eat the right portions of each thing, then you can get away with eating pretty much anything. If you are eating for fat loss (try low carb dieting), or for some special condition, then obviously the setup will be different, but if that's not the case then you are good to go. In most food combining literature, dairy is seen as a meal by itself, and as something that takes about 4 hours to digest, so you'd have to eat one form of dairy by itself (milk, cheese, etc), then not consume anything but water for the next 4 hours. The same is said about fruits. Fruits should be eaten by themselves, and at least 15-45 minutes (depending on the fruit) before another meal. So if you had milk, then 4 hours later you could have fruit, then 15-45 minutes later you could have the other thing you were planning on. This becomes complicated fast, and people are accustomed to eating certain things together, so they end up not being able to follow this plan.

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    I've been eating mostly paleo for almost a year now. Most people that I hear from / read about tend to be on one of two fronts... uber-zealots and the "100% paleo, 80% of the time" folks. I'm mostly in the latter. Frankly, the whole "paleolithic people didn't eat it, so neither should you" thing seems to me pretty corny and psuedo-scientific to me. But... the whole eating paleo thing meshes really, really well with "don't eat processed stuff and lots of sugar", which is what really matters, I think.

    There's also the whole dairy/gluten thing. Like @CapLawyer said, a significant number of people don't really handle dairy very well (as adults), and gluten falls into the same sort of category. If you believe the zealous folks, there's also a significant factor of increased-but-not-felt gut inflammation that comes from eating things like grains and that reducing that unseen inflammation can have a major effect on things like allergies, recovering from illness, etc. I'm not sure if I've seen that or not... it's almost impossible to quantify, especially on an individual level. But... I do generally feel better (of course, I've also gone from 195 lbs to 175 lbs, so I'm healthier in general, too).

    Basically... if you want to try the whole paleo thing out, I do recommend it. When I started it, I did a 30-day, totally 100% paleo "whole 30" diet. Super-strict, with the idea that once it was over, I could add in things that weren't "compliant" to see how they made me feel. Turns out, after a month, I was pretty happy eating that way permanently. Now, I do "cheat" a few times a week. I went out for Indian last night, and I have a mini-loaf of chocolate-ship banana bread waiting for me in the kitchen to be slathered in some whole butter (this is even tastier than it sounds). If somebody brings donuts to work, I eat one (or two) - I shouldn't, but when you really get down to it, it matters a lot more how you eat 80% of the time.

    If you try to eat paleo, you'll find that you eat a LOT less sugar (which is likely one of the best things about paleo diets), and a LOT more vegetables and fresh meats/eggs, and almost nothing processed. That combination is likely what's good about it. Who cares what the cavemen ate.

    Hmm, I think that banana bread and butter is calling me.
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    Cavemen were opportunistic eaters, like any animal.

    I think anything that makes you healthier without making you obsessed is a good thing. It can be very hard to stick with paleo stuff because paleo is very expensive, and obsessive about ingredients. It doesn't really work to eat 80/20 paleo in the way it was intended, because you're eating breads and dairy 20% of that time. It negates at 80% work basically. That doesn't mean it's not healthy, and it won't do a world of good.. but it is what it is.

    I think if you have things like stomach problems, there are diets specifically made to cut out pretty much everything and slowly add it into your diet. There are people that, while not allergic to strawberries, found they were having IBS because of the histamine in foods like strawberries. Those are healthy foods that fit the paleo diet, but everyone is different.

    Gluten has never been an issue for me, and I don't have upset and irritated stomach problems from it. What I did find was whole milk WAS stressing out my stomach.. and i didn't even know it until I switched to fat-free for my parents' sake. The lactose free milk actually is the best, but it's also expensive. You gotta know what your body is feeling. I am not at all lactose intolerant, I eat dairy every single day without issue. But certain things are harsh on the body.

    Some people say sugar causes a lot of issues.. but I'd be a bitter, hateful person without sugars in my diet. You gotta judge a quality of life over these things too. Food cannot be an obsession. Eat to live, and enjoy what you do at the same time.

    I think portion control, substitution dieting, and cooking a variety of foods is the key to being healthy. When you put just enough effort into it via cooking, you can really see the difference in things.

    However, great guidelines to try and start out with: Japanese foods and Mediterranean foods. They're generally low in fat and sugar, high in flavor and presentation and portion control, with an emphasis on slow methodical eating.
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    The reasoning for the lack of gluten in human diets, doesn't ring true. When our ancestors were nomadic, they still gathered. But I do agree that we didn't eat grains in the current quantity. On the other hand, we also didn't eat anything in the current quantities.

    So if you wish to maintain or lose weight, eat less and exercise more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    I think anything that makes you healthier without making you obsessed is a good thing. It can be very hard to stick with paleo stuff because paleo is very expensive, and obsessive about ingredients. It doesn't really work to eat 80/20 paleo in the way it was intended, because you're eating breads and dairy 20% of that time. It negates at 80% work basically. That doesn't mean it's not healthy, and it won't do a world of good.. but it is what it is.
    Good points -- especially about the expense, unfortunately. Expensive in both dollars and time. I spend a LOT more on food than I did prior to changing my diet, and that's including the fact that I used to eat out for lunch 5 times a week (I don't, now - I eat big homemade salads with veggies and seafood/chicken). I also spend probably 45 minutes a day in the kitchen.

    I'm not quite sure I agree about the 80/20 thing... but I'm not certain I disagree, either. While I do splurge once a week on a mini-loaf of banana bread (which I admit, I likely shouldn't), for the most part, I don't buy anything from the grocery store that's "non-compliant", and I only eat out once a week, where I generally give myself free reign, within reason (last night was aloo mataar with rice - not paleo, but not pizza and Crispy Creme, either).

    Honestly, a lot of the whole "100% paleo, 80% of the time" thing boils down to logistics and social pressures / convenience. You don't want to be the zealot nitpicking the crap out of your friends' restaurant choices, or refusing to eat 90% of what someone serves you in their home. If you're the sort who eats out with co-workers or clients, you don't want to be "that guy/woman" who's just a pain to deal with. Also, it gives you a little room to "slip" without having "failed". It might not be completely optimal, but practically, it's a LOT easier to stick with, and still gives you a lot of benefit - far more than trying for "perfection", failing, and falling back on less healthy eating as a matter of habit.

    I think that almost all of the benefit from these sorts of things is simply sticking to *something* that gets you to adhere to minimizing processed foods and sugars, and preferably, eating high-nutrient foods like fresh/frozen vegetables, good meats, and fats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggly View Post
    I like the idea of this, but I don't understand why they don't eat dairy? I love dairy.
    Maybe try the diet with smaller amounts of dairy? Caplawyer is right about dairy intolerance - a lot of people don't handle lactose or various milk proteins very well. Some have significant reactions, and some have more minor intolerances. You can try reducing the amounts of dairy, and if all goes well, slowly increase it. If your diet quits working or you start feeling worse, you know to back off a bit.

    Lots of diary foods are healthy, though. You don't need to give up a healthy food that you love.


    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    Some people say sugar causes a lot of issues.. but I'd be a bitter, hateful person without sugars in my diet. You gotta judge a quality of life over these things too. Food cannot be an obsession. Eat to live, and enjoy what you do at the same time.


    Some people truly need a healthy dosage of carbs to function properly. Something like Paleo and Atkins usually are disasters for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Udog View Post
    Some people truly need a healthy dosage of carbs to function properly. Something like Paleo and Atkins usually are disasters for them.
    Yea, but how you get those carbs makes a huge difference. Usually, needing a lot of sugar (past mental addiction) is usually a sign that you are deficient in something.

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    Enlightening. Thanks for all of your answers. Does dairy include eggs?

    Quote Originally Posted by andante View Post
    The reasoning for the lack of gluten in human diets, doesn't ring true. When our ancestors were nomadic, they still gathered. But I do agree that we didn't eat grains in the current quantity. On the other hand, we also didn't eat anything in the current quantities.

    So if you wish to maintain or lose weight, eat less and exercise more.
    I definitely don't want to lose weight, if anything I prefer to gain weight. I just like this idea of eating "clean".

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