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    Default Whole30 foods vs Traditional healthy habits

    http://whole9life.com/itstartswithfood/ The source of the information.

    Basically, you avoid anything gluten based, wheat based, fake foods, etc. It's a typical paleo diet, but better outlined so I thought I'd use it.

    My question is: is this a load of crap and overly restrictive and demonizing? Or is there merit to this diet?

    If people have diseases like auto immune disorders, borderline diabetes, etc. would this diet be vastly superior to regular old eating right and cutting out the fake, processed foods? Does cutting out things like corn really seem to make a difference for people more than just eating what we consider the 'right' things?

    This diet makes it very, very clear that not even substitutes are allowed--no "pancakes paleo style!" or anything like that. The relationship with food is eat to live and nothing more.

    My immediate thought was "Cut out beans and corn?! Those are natural veggies, what the HELL is wrong with beans and corn!? If people are sick from beans, then I quit and the world sucks!" But... People are allergic to things like pollen all the time, on massive scales. It doesn't kill them, but their bodies just still, after years and years of living in the same spot, cannot handle the type of pollen in the air certain times of the year. What if, for many of us, our bodies really are ill equipped to handle the sort of foods we are sticking in it now?

    I'm not looking for scientific answers necessarily, though they are welcome.. more so for viewpoints. Is 'everything in moderation' a liberal excuse for eating what we want, or are paleo diets a crock of shit that should have died with the rest of the people in Jurassic Park?
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    Maybe it works because it aims high and you negotiate yourself back to a regularly healthy diet?

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    Corn is known for having a high glycemic index. For the most part, foods with a high GI should be avoided if one (really) wants to maintain an optimal energy level and/or lose weight.

    There's an exception to the rule: after workouts, food with a high IG is recommended, in order to restore the repleted glycogen reserves and speed up recovery.

    Don't know what's wrong with beans though. The GI is good and experts seem to recommend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    I'm not looking for scientific answers necessarily, though they are welcome.. more so for viewpoints. Is 'everything in moderation' a liberal excuse for eating what we want, or are paleo diets a crock of shit that should have died with the rest of the people in Jurassic Park?
    Hi Kyuuei -- thought I'd chip in, as I finished a "whole 30" a few weeks ago, and more or less still follow it. From what I've read / been told, the idea is twofold. First, try and prevent huge swings in blood sugar. Hence the no sweets, and limiting or excluding foods with a high glycemic index. Second, eliminate things that have been shown to cause inflammation in the digestive tract. Now, this doesn't include things that *everybody* has trouble with -- it's more of a way to try and identify items that you may have minor issues with, but have become "normal" to you (so you're not at your best, but you can't tell until you cut them out and see how you feel). The idea is to get that "clean baseline" and then add stuff (like dairy, legumes, etc.) back in one at a time to see how you feel. I just haven't bothered to add stuff back in.

    As for the paleo diet itself, I'm (more or less) doing fine with it. It does take some time to adjust, and among other things, it's notably expensive and time-intensive compared to what, at least I, used to eat. I'll also add in that some people see huge changes after a few weeks -- feeling better, more energy, etc. I really didn't -- but I did lose 15 lbs in that first month, and have more or less stabilized at 180, which is a pretty good weight for me. I figure that at the very least, eliminating processed foods as much as possible can't be anything but good.

    Anyway, for me it was a good thing to try, but not really revolutionary. But still, good enough that I'm sticking with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    Corn is known for having a high glycemic index. For the most part, foods with a high GI should be avoided if one (really) wants to maintain an optimal energy level and/or lose weight.

    There's an exception to the rule: after workouts, food with a high IG is recommended, in order to restore the repleted glycogen reserves and speed up recovery.

    Don't know what's wrong with beans though. The GI is good and experts seem to recommend.
    Yes I had heard something similar about corn. Essentially "empty calories" much like white bread or pasta. I had thought beans had significant fiber and nutrition though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gromit View Post
    Yes I had heard something similar about corn. Essentially "empty calories" much like white bread or pasta. I had thought beans had significant fiber and nutrition though.
    They do -- they also have some chemicals that are supposedly bad, though (although you can leach them out by soaking/cooking). It's sort of a gradient -- doughnuts/sugar - REALLY bad, beans - a little bad.
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    I think this is a great thread, I'm thinking of gathering information about all the different diets which are popular right now, the paleo one included, also some of the micro diets and alternate day diets which are to do with habits rather than content or food groups and trying them out systematically and blogging about it, like one after another and tracking how they make me feel and what difference they make to me physically.

    Sort of my own personal research project

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    Quote Originally Posted by gromit View Post
    Essentially "empty calories" much like white bread or pasta.
    They're only empty if you have a very sedentary lifestyle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    They're only empty if you have a very sedentary lifestyle.
    When I said "empty calories" I meant that you get very little else besides the calories.

    It's true carbohydrates provide energy for exercise. But you can also get carbohydrates from other sources which provide more nutrition/vitamins along with the carbs: fruit, whole grain, sweet potato, beans, etc.

    If you are more active, calories from white bread, etc. are still empty, just that you're more likely to burn the carbs as fuel rather than store them as fat.

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    They do -- they also have some chemicals that are supposedly bad, though (although you can leach them out by soaking/cooking). It's sort of a gradient -- doughnuts/sugar - REALLY bad, beans - a little bad.
    Interesting, I'd never heard of that before. Chemicals like pesticides from the farming process or naturally-occurring chemicals?

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    As for the original post @kyuuei, I'd say if you aren't struggling with weight or food intolerance then something like what you describe is probably overkill. If you are struggling with either of those, it may be worth it to try cutting out different things and evaluating to see if anything improves.

    I have a friend who lost 40lb using the "4-hr diet" - he knows there's not solid evidence backing it up, and thus refers to his diet as "pseudo-science" but he has followed it more or less religiously and seen results. My mom cut out refined carbs and saw her weight and "bad" cholesterol go down. Friends who have been having upset stomachs a lot have cut out wheat products and felt a lot better after. So I would guess that individuals metabolize differently and it's worth trying different things to see what makes the most sense.

    And talk to a nutritionist/dietitian if it's covered by your insurance.

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