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    Quote Originally Posted by burymecloser View Post
    1 tbsp Original Vegenaise
    Calories: 90
    Cal From Fat: 80 (89%)
    Total Fat: 9 g
    Sat Fat: 0.5 g
    Cholesterol: 0 mg
    Sodium: 85 mg

    1 tbsp Hellman's Real Mayonnaise
    Calories: 90
    Cal From Fat: 90 (100%)
    Total Fat: 10 g
    Sat Fat: 1.5 g
    Cholesterol: 5 mg
    Sodium: 90 mg

    The vegan brand is demonstrably healthier, pretty much across the board. It also gets its fat from canola (rapeseed) oil, which is a healthier source than Hellman's soybean oil. And while taste is a personal matter, if you tried it, I suspect you'd like it. Vegan mayonnaise is wonderful.
    Soybean oil and rapeseed (aka Canola) oil are both lousy for you, and egg yolk is good for you. The saturated fat in the "real" mayo is a plus from both a taste and health perspective. I'd be curious to see what the carb component of the faux mayo is, it's trivial, but "bad."

    This is much better than either of those two from both health and taste perspectives--while olive oil is rather bland it is healthy, and egg yolk and coconut oil = two of the tastiest and healthiest fats around: Tropical Traditions - Recipe - Coconut Mayonnaise

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fecal McAngry View Post
    Soybean oil and rapeseed (aka Canola) oil are both lousy for you
    No oil is particularly good for you, but canola is healthier than most oils, certainly better than soybean oil, which is the first ingredient in traditional mayonnaise.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fecal McAngry View Post
    egg yolk is good for you.
    Actually, many doctors and scientists believe that people at risk of heart disease should avoid (or at least limit) their intake of saturated fat and cholesterol, both of which are fairly high in egg yolk. Consumption of eggs has been linked to an increased risk of Type 2 (adult onset) diabetes. And of course, you have to be careful about salmonella, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fecal McAngry
    The saturated fat in the "real" mayo is a plus from both a taste and health perspective.
    Let's stop trying to quantify taste. Okay, you like egg yolks. You've said so several times. Message received. I've tried both traditional and vegan mayonnaise, and you haven't. Saturated fat is a known risk factor for cardiovascular disease.

    Are you really arguing that something higher in fat, percentage of calories from fat, saturated fat, cholesterol, and sodium is better for you than an alternative made with a healthier oil that contains Omega-3's? :confused:

    Quote Originally Posted by Fecal McAngry
    This is much better than either of those two from both health and taste perspectives--while olive oil is rather bland it is healthy, and egg yolk and coconut oil = two of the tastiest and healthiest fats around: Tropical Traditions - Recipe - Coconut Mayonnaise
    Coconut Oil is also very high in saturated fat. That recipe kind of sounds like a bowl of spreadable heart attack. You do know heart disease is the leading cause of death in every country with broad access to modern medicine?

    I suspect you would argue that Krispy Kreme Bacon Cheeseburgers are healthier than a mixed green salad.



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    Quote Originally Posted by burymecloser View Post
    No oil is particularly good for you, but canola is healthier than most oils, certainly better than soybean oil, which is the first ingredient in traditional mayonnaise.
    Olive oil actually is pretty good for you in moderation. Like if you just don't turn up the bottle and drink it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sLiPpY View Post
    Really? Do those cultures have distended bellies like chimpanzee?

    I'm a fan of the Paleo concept. If early man hadn't eaten meat. We wouldn't have had the material for our brains to develop, and swung from trees.
    Chimpanzees are omnivores like most humans! Woot!

    I don't eat alot of meat. I choose to not eat alot of meat for numerous reasons. I find my body has difficulty digesting it and sometimes I can't stand the way it smells or tastes (especially pork). Also, many people injest way more meat on a daily basis then is necessary or healthy, rather many people are lacking in fruits and vegetables. Finally, I also think about the environmental impact. It takes alot more energy to produce one pound of meat than it does for one pound of grain. I think its a great idea for everyone to have one meatless day a week! Think of all the new recipes!
    I am a firm believer in everything in moderation and in eating a large variety of foods. Many people who are vegetarian or vegan are VERY aware of the food choices they make, they have to be in order to get the necessary vitamins and minerals.
    I think its great you are trying to make more concious food choices. It's good to be aware of where your food is coming from. For me, buying local is important to me. You are supporting local businesses, reducing transportation (which decreases GHG emissions), you can literally see where it was grown, and many of it is organic already (they just can't afford to get the "offical" designation).

    But when is all said and done...sometimes all I want is a nice, juicy, medium-rare steak....LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by almost rosey View Post
    monday i started a possible love affair with being a vegan. i am not whole completely sold on it, but so far i'm liking what i see. i just decided it was time to start being healthier for myself and my family.

    i baked vegan chocolate chip cookies this morning and they are as good if not better than reg cc cookies!



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    I'm not vegan, but I don't eat meat or eggs often and avoid dairy except for yogourt. Personally, I like the taste of fake meat better than real meat.

    I think I'll play more with vegan and organic foods when I live on my own, but it's a lot to ask for my parents to adapt to my eating habits too, and hard to incorporate into my busy schedule.

    You know if you think about it, it's kind of weird that people cultivate PLANTS for oil. Isn't the oil in plants what helps to keep their cell walls flexible yet hard? If I ingest their oil, my ass may have a layer of flexible yet solid fat that is going to be stubborn to get rid of.

    I choose to use the least amount of vegetable oil as possible when I cook. I'm pretty sure all the oil people use in cooking isn't necessary in your diet, just eat a couple nuts and be done with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sLiPpY View Post
    Really? Do those cultures have distended bellies like chimpanzee?

    I'm a fan of the Paleo concept. If early man hadn't eaten meat. We wouldn't have had the material for our brains to develop, and swung from trees.
    Actually, this is one of the sanest thing you have ever said in this forum.

    Indeed, plants don't metabolize lots of molecules required for our growth and our health, and I'm not refering to vitamins, calcium and iron only. For instance, our brain needs large quantities of DHA, (docosahexaenoic acid), an omega-3 fatty acid you only find in meat. So yes, there's a theory that says that brain evolution is linked to avalaible quantities of DHA and similar molecules. And indeed, there seems to be a correlation. No herbivorous species ever developped a large brain, unless they could eat huge quantities of plants of different varieties (lots of fruits and tubers), like elephants do. And curiously, even so elephants find most of their DHA in the insects they unwilingly ingest.

    Once you're a grown-up adult, it's a lot easier to become a vegetarian or a vegan, as these molecules become less necessary. But when you're a child or still a teen (under 25 years old), most of the time it's a very very bad idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by niffer View Post
    You know if you think about it, it's kind of weird that people cultivate PLANTS for oil. Isn't the oil in plants what helps to keep their cell walls flexible yet hard? If I ingest their oil, my ass may have a layer of flexible yet solid fat that is going to be stubborn to get rid of.
    I'm sorry but what you wrote just doesn't make any sense, at least from a scientific perspective.

    And your conclusion is the same. Actually, what you should avoid at all costs are trans fats (unsaturated fats with trans-isomer acids), since they cause high HDL cholesterol. Most of these fats are found in ruminants meat (beef and sheep for instance) or their byproducts (butter, cheese), but some are found in plants (-> palmitic acid, found in palm and coconut oil).
    Trans fats are also produced artificially, especially for candy, bread and cake industries, so expect to find them in any kind of Junk food you eat.
    Trans fats are also produced when you fry something in a previously harmless vegetable oil, and it is one of the reasons why French fries are bad for your health, especially when they are combined with red meat. So that's why a simple burger with fries is a real nutritionist's nightmare: it's possibly the worst food that has been ever invented.

    The best oils, those that help our arteries are olive oil, rapeseed oid, peanut butter, or duck fat (Many vitamins are actually fatty acids: it's vital to eat some; not too much, but some). At least when you do not use them to fry something in high temperature.
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    Lots of vegetables, some meat, eat local. Amen.

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