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    Why would we have that right?
    Wait, what did you say again?

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    The right to manipulate nature?

    Yes, absolutely.

    What's the alternative?

    The right to destroy it?

    No.

    I think it's wise, practical, logical, ethical and good for business to find ways to utilize nature without destroying it.


    By the way, I'm not big on environmental issues, but I think this documentary looks pretty good:

    YouTube - "No Impact Man" - Official Trailer [HQ HD]
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    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    I really don't think this general theme is unique to our species, we're just better at it than the others. Beavers and their dams change entire ecosystems on a local level, a couple billion years ago plant life "polluted" the earth's atmosphere with a corrosive gas called oxygen to the point where it changed the whole composition of the sky and dictated the direction of billions of years of evolution. Any organism on the planet would kill to have our abilities of environmental mastery.

    I've always found the naturalist ideals you have to be very bizarre, because it implies that under human supervision, our environment should never change. Ever. Which is contrary to earth's entire history, and contrary to a biological system that is inherently dynamic and requires change to function.

    With regards to general unhappiness, don't think I really have answer to that, or the ability to explain it. But it is something I have observed.
    Well agreed.

    It's really just a matter of perspective. The only compelling argument to not continuing doing it, in my opinion, is that we are shooting ourselves in the foot. Allusions to "Mother Nature" can't really be expected to be taken seriously by society as a whole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post

    Allusions to "Mother Nature" can't really be expected to be taken seriously by society as a whole.
    Yeah, seriously.


    Besides, I wonder if people realize the psychological implications of it.

    Oedipus Complex, anyone?

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    If it is within your power it is within your rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    If it is within your power it is within your rights.
    Yikes!

    Seriously?

    Like, as in, "Might makes right?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonkavision View Post
    Yeah, seriously.


    Besides, I wonder if people realize the psychological implications of it.

    Oedipus Complex, anyone?

    Check this out (Yuck!---Is she giving birth or getting laid???--LOL):

    Ever heard of orgasmic childbirth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    Ever heard of orgasmic childbirth?
    Ha Ha! Yeah.

    When my wife was pregnant with our first child, she was reading a book about that.

    It was written in the 60's by some hippie cult, and it even recommended taking acid while having sex and giving birth!--LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonkavision View Post
    Yikes!

    Seriously?

    Like, as in, "Might makes right?"
    Precisely. All sentient beings have the right to do what they wish that's within their power, and the right to reap what they sow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonkavision View Post
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    What's the alternative?
    Quick extinction.

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