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    Also its important to have slower moving targets in case of a zombie apocalypse.
    In case of famine they d need smaller rations. That's handy too.

    Because african kids wouldnt really have eaten those burgers anyway.

    What does the thread means by tolerated. I dont feel like checking, was this written by an Fi user ? (shakes head)
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    Quote Originally Posted by gromit View Post
    I thought s/he was saying more at a food industry level sort of thing...
    I think she was more referring to the fact that obesity is a real medical issue that causes countless other medical issues, so she doesn't understand why people are so sensitive about it vs being not-so-sensitive to tiny people.

    I struggle a lot with people calling me skinny, so I feel the OP. But the obesity part has many complex issues.. It isn't near the same as thin people's feed back because of the amount of peer, economic, and social pressure on one vs the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    This is the key difference

    People who override their fullness feeling do so for a reason - though many won't even register that fullness feeling anymore after years of abuse. Eating triggers your parasympathic system. Eating heavy foods and overeating even more so. It makes you sluggish, numb and forces your body into a rest-and-digest state. For someone who is under constant stress, who is constantly in flight or fight mode due to internal conflict, the fullness pain is a small price to pay for just an hour of rest from that chronic stress they feel. It's a pain they have control over, depending on how much food they stuff down their throat, compared to the non-stop state of vigilance that rules them, out of their control, normally.

    In essence, it's self-medicating, in order to cope. Add to that an unawareness that this aint normal - as they usually learned this coping mechanism in childhood, a loss of meaning for the sensation of fullness to the point of not even being able to identify it anymore, as well as having no real parameters on what a normal serving for their body would even look like, and you get obesity as a result.

    And it is what needs addressing. Old belief systems that are causing their stress need to be removed, self-esteem needs to be rebuilt, education on which foods will make you feel fuller and why, and re-exploration and experimentation with that feeling of fullness -as well as learning how to cope with the panic you experience once you rediscover what how urgent hunger can feel - are key to rediscovering what your body actually needs...and losing the weight.

    And yes, you don't have to decide to go healthy foods, though it would help. Just like you, they can use their favourite 'bad' foods to still lose weight - they just have to learn what you already instinctively know - being overly full is unpleasant and unnecessary in life. So if you eat heavy foods, you only need so much, while lighter foods allow you to graze more as you need more of em to feel full.
    When I get stressed, my stomach ties itself in knots and I can't eat until I calm down. I didn't have a low-stress childhood. My mom shot herself in the chest a few years before I was born. She wasn't what you'd call super stable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    When I get stressed, my stomach ties itself in knots and I can't eat until I calm down. I didn't have a low-stress childhood. My mom shot herself in the chest a few years before I was born. She wasn't what you'd call super stable.
    I didn't mean to imply that you did - and that mustve been horrible. I just meant to illustrate the difference between someone who uses food as a coping mechanism and someone who doesn't.
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    I should have been more clear- I don't think it's okay to say shit to anybody about their body unless they are your significant other (and then, only very, very carefully and compassionately) or your patient. Not just fatties. My daughter is thin and people are always talking about her "thigh gap" and saying she needs a sandwich, and I hate that too.

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    just a side note i've misread the title of this thread as "why isn't obesity testicles" so many times. so now i'm thinking of encephalitis of the testicles. I have nothing more to contribute. not that that was a contribution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    I didn't mean to imply that you did - and that mustve been horrible. I just meant to illustrate the difference between someone who uses food as a coping mechanism and someone who doesn't.
    No worries. It's no big. It's just that I didn't have a superior family life/childhood and I never chose for food not to be a coping mechanism. It just doesn't work for me. I think, perhaps, the mechanism that causes people to overeat or not overeat is not well understood.

    Being kind of socialist, I think it would be a very good idea to do all the cool urbanist stuff @Blackmail! advocates, subsidize healthy foods instead of corn syrup, guarantee a minimum income, provide universal healthcare, and invest in amazing early childhood education. That would help people who are stress eaters and it certainly wouldn't do any harm to people like me. I don't know that it would unbreak the "full sensors" of all the people, though.

    I used to want to think the reason people were overweight was because their parents had broken their full sensor. That would mean that not forcing my kids to clean their plates would more or less guarantee they'd never be overweight, but I have come to believe that it might be inborn to some degree. Maybe genetic, maybe otherwise determined in utero.
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    When I'm stable I eat because of the meds I'm prescribed. when I'm not stable either manic or depressed I barely eat, so no meds=super model skinny but fucking insane and meds=not skinny but some what sane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    No worries. It's no big. It's just that I didn't have a superior family life/childhood and I never chose for food not to be a coping mechanism. It just doesn't work for me. I think, perhaps, the mechanism that causes people to overeat or not overeat is not well understood.

    Being kind of socialist, I think it would be a very good idea to do all the cool urbanist stuff @Blackmail! advocates, subsidize healthy foods instead of corn syrup, guarantee a minimum income, provide universal healthcare, and invest in amazing early childhood education. That would help people who are stress eaters and it certainly wouldn't do any harm to people like me. I don't know that it would unbreak the "full sensors" of all the people, though.

    I used to want to think the reason people were overweight was because their parents had broken their full sensor. That would mean that not forcing my kids to clean their plates would more or less guarantee they'd never be overweight, but I have come to believe that it might be inborn to some degree. Maybe genetic, maybe otherwise determined in utero.
    It is not clear why we choose the coping mechanism we do - eating, drinking, smoking, meds, drugs - but the causes are usually similar: something is chronically stressing us that we aint equipped to deal with.

    And im sure there is also an element of availability and culture to it. While you cannot control availability, you can do your best to teach your kids a healthy outlook on life AND themselves and their own capabilities as well as several healthy coping mechanisms to address life's obstacles and your own fear. The rest is up to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    I should have been more clear- I don't think it's okay to say shit to anybody about their body unless they are your significant other (and then, only very, very carefully and compassionately) or your patient. Not just fatties. My daughter is thin and people are always talking about her "thigh gap" and saying she needs a sandwich, and I hate that too.
    Agreed. When did weight become the exception to the rule 'Mind you own ***** business', anyway???
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