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    I don't think that shaming people about their weight is the way to go, but I do think that too many people consider any discussion about weight loss with someone "shaming" them. It shouldn't be a taboo thing to discuss just because people feel bad about it.

    There are obviously genetic/medical issues which make weight loss/gain difficult for some people, but I have to say that either people in the U.S. just have abnormally horrible genetics or there's something else causing the problem.

    It can be difficult in America, I think, just because of the way everything is set up. Our lifestyle/economy is really not conducive to staying fit/healthy, which means that people generally have to be more motivated to actually make a change than other places. You don't necessarily have to be a lazy gluttonous piece of shit to get fat like you do in some places in the world. You just have to not work out regularly or carefully watch what you eat, basically, which can be a pain in the ass.
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    The US isn't really unique in this regard, many places have comparable or worse obesity statistics, Australasia, the South Pacific, The Caribbean, Britain, The Middle East all have significant obesity rates, pretty much every nation including the developing ones in Asia and Africa have rapidly growing obesity rates. Particularly fat Americans is just a stereotype for non Americans to feel superior, of course a lot of confirmation bias goes on (I say this as a New Zealander).
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    Nothing embodies greed and impulsiveness quite like a fat person. Life is shit and miserable for all of us, control your vices or they will control you.

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    When I think about the obesity epidemic and how to solve the problem.. I think about Supersize vs Superskinny. In particular, this episode that shows how much of it is linked to emotional problems and lack of awareness. I still think telling someone who eats because of low self-esteem and confidence problems that they are fat is very counter-productive. Because it's a long-term process, obviously people need to be reminded that they're worth trying to lose weight and that they can be happier.
    Not saying that the show reflects a large majority of cases of obesity, but that bad eating habits are often related to personal history, and if we want to make people lose weight, life habits can change psychology and vice versa.

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    why should society accept behaviours that result in a crippling burden on the health system?

    i'm not talking about people who are a bit squishy, but in pretty good nick. i'm talking about morbid obesity. the currently young and middle aged obese cohort will age and gain more weight (statistically it's rare to lose weight and keep it off; and it's common to gain weight as you age).

    the disease burden of an aged obese person aint pretty. so they're not only more likely to be hospitalised, but if they do require hospitalisation their treatment will be more of a burden on the system than that of a non-obese person...as an example an obese person who requires surgery will need more staff to help move them/perform procedure, more anesthetic, bigger surgical gown, more blood products, more time in theatre as their fat makes it tricky to perform the operation, more likely to get an infection etc.
    ...all that stuff aint free and i don't wish my taxes to pay for it. i'm not going to condone a movement that is about denying addiction and self-responsibility and threatens the sustainability of universal healthcare.

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    What does "not accepting" fatness look like?

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    i'm talking about society's acceptance (or not) of the fat acceptance movement. not about smacking donuts out of the hands of fatties. i saw the OP as leading us into a discussion on societal values in relation to the movement. i'm all about advocating for primary/preventative health care intervention that's sensitive and evidence-based when it comes to weight loss.

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    I'm troubled also by some of the comments in this thread that imply all fat people are liars. It effectively sets up a system in which a fat person is unable to defend themselves from accusations; the fall-back position is that they're just lying about what they do and eat. I suspect there is more to this than the (very real) factors of food addiction, suburban sprawl, and unchecked agribusiness. What about the complete dependence on plastics for damn near everything? That wasn't the case just a few decades ago, and many of the plastics we use (even ones we pack our food in) are proven endocrine disruptors. I just don't think it's useful or productive to completely blame individual fat people for their condition when there may be (and IMO probably are) factors we haven't even identified yet that affect this on a wider scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strawberries View Post
    i'm talking about society's acceptance (or not) of the fat acceptance movement. not about smacking donuts out of the hands of fatties. i saw the OP as leading us into a discussion on societal values in relation to the movement. i'm all about advocating for primary/preventative health care intervention that's sensitive and evidence-based when it comes to weight loss.
    I guess I'm not really sure what the fat acceptance movement actually is. If it's a medical movement, maybe not so much. But if it's a movement towards expecting people to mind their own damn business when it comes to my size unless they are me or my doctor or a loved one whose opinion I value (and even then, only if their opinion is helpful- you're not telling me anything I don't know), then I think I'm all for that.

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