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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    He's such an adorable ball of energy

    And yeah...well, he has to keep busy somehow

    You could re-direct that energy to a game that is more channeled to your preferences, if you wanted to.

    As for the switch to the water gun - did I get this right that you're able to pull it out and use it faster than the water bottle? Coz that would be crucial - all consequences have to happen within 1 second (which is another reason that Im more likely to use my hand as that's always available to me), in order to register. The only exception to this is actually eating something poisonous. An animal will connect a food with digestive issues up to 6 hours after ingesting it. But all other training techniques require reaction within 1 second - it' why clicker training is so often used. Clicking a clicker is a lot easier than fumbling a plastic bag with a treat open in time, and you can use the clicker to teach them that the treat is on their way while rewarding the desirable behaviour
    Yeah, you're correct in your understanding - I can access the water gun faster than the water bottle. I feel it made ALL the difference.

    I bet a clicker would work well for him.. the button on one of my laser pointers actually is really loud. It stopped lighting up even with batteries, but obviously still clicks. He'd always jerk to attention when he heard it. I'll try to incorporate that into certain training stuff.
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    My cat poops outside his litter box sometimes. It's not related to changing litters or being dirty, it just seems to be when he wants to do it. I think I've noticed it's when I haven't been around as much as normal, but it's often when I'm home sleeping in my bed that I wake up with a turd on the floor in my living room. Any tips?
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    Quote Originally Posted by five sounds View Post
    My cat poops outside his litter box sometimes. It's not related to changing litters or being dirty, it just seems to be when he wants to do it. I think I've noticed it's when I haven't been around as much as normal, but it's often when I'm home sleeping in my bed that I wake up with a turd on the floor in my living room. Any tips?
    Doing a number two outside the litter box is often a sign of 'this is my territory', aka territorial marking. Do you have any other animals(including boyfriends or humans) that could (have) trigger(ed) this? Coz the situation you're describing usually triggers spraying/peeing on the bed, ime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    Doing a number two outside the litter box is often a sign of 'this is my litter box', aka territorial marking. Do you have any other animals(including boyfriends or humans) that could (have) trigger(ed) this? Coz the situation you're describing usually triggers spraying/peeing on the bed, ime.
    He does like a softpaw sweeping around thing like all the time and I think it's a territorial thing too. No other pets, and it happened both with and without a room mate with about the same frequency. But yeah maybe he's just a territorial guy and feels the need to express himself from time to time via feces lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by five sounds View Post
    He does like a softpaw sweeping around thing like all the time and I think it's a territorial thing too. No other pets, and it happened both with and without a room mate with about the same frequency. But yeah maybe he's just a territorial guy and feels the need to express himself from time to time via feces lol
    Maybe when you've been away, he feels a bit less secure, so he compensates?
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    Quote Originally Posted by five sounds View Post
    He does like a softpaw sweeping around thing like all the time and I think it's a territorial thing too. No other pets, and it happened both with and without a room mate with about the same frequency. But yeah maybe he's just a territorial guy and feels the need to express himself from time to time via feces lol
    Seriously, leaving a turd is like the cat equivalent of 'Fair warning: you're not welcome here - this is mine'. Even moreso than spraying as it is a big visual signal as well.

    The fastest shortcut (without doing a full diagnosis with survey, walk through through the territory etc) is to ask yourself the following questions:

    When did it start?
    What changed in the house around that time?
    And what pattern (which you tried to intuit already) is there to the incidents wrt the environmental changes?

    Edit: Lex also touches on something - he may be more prone to territorial insecurity when you're not around much, but normally, that would trigger peeing/spraying, not pooing. (that was a lovely sentence, right there )

    Could you expand on the soft paw sweeping thing? You mean, like he pretends to cover shit up even if he isn't in the litter box? And when does this happen?
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    @five sounds

    If you're sure it's not a medical thing (where he avoids the litter box because he's constipated and it hurts to go the litter box, for instance), and you're sure it's not the litterbox itself (some cats for instance like to use one box for nr 1 and another for nr2, or oppose to digging a hole in sand they don't like), and you're sure it happens when you've been away or changed your routine, you can try the following general tips:

    1) use the Feliway spray on the spot where he usually defecates, and perhaps also the corners of the room if the room isn't too big (otherwise a feliway vaporiser may be useful as you retrain him - they last for about a month) Make sure that spot is thoroughly cleaned as well! after an accident has occurred. It'll make him feel more at ease.

    2) buy yourself a fishing rod toy and play with him 15 minutes a day, especially in the place where he does this shit. Play the quivering prey and let him catch it a lot so he builds confidence - it will change his perception of his ability to handle a situation and the way he perceives the territory he's in to a more positive one. In essence, we want him to reconsider his perspective on the conflict he's having since you cannot stop leaving as such - the likely trigger for his behaviour.

    3) leave a bowl of food on the spot where he usually defecates - they're like us, they don't like to eliminate where they eat and that will reframe that piece of territory as a feeding spot.

    4) you can also put a scratching post there, or something that he can mark with facial pheromones (like a chair - spray with feliway spray initially, just don't spray the food bowl, if you decide to do both) - it gives him a different way to mark his territory instead of resorting to the most aggressive one out there.

    5) when you come home, make it a point to spend some time with him, on that spot, preferably with treats, attention and play time - it would minimise the amount of stress still left in his body when you then turn in.

    6) in general, evaluate your home. Does your kitty have its own furniture? And does he have vertical space? Most cats feel safer when they're higher up and some cats feel non-stop very insecure when they cannot get up high. See if you can invest in some shelves he can use to walk on, or some scratching trees and if at all possible, create a 'flow' in the room where he can hop on and go up on one side and come down a little bit later on the other side.

    7) If the questions I posted earlier reveal a different possible trigger, remove it if at all possible, and otherwise help him to re-evaluate his response to that trigger (similarly to how I've described reframing his perspective to your absence above)

    While your kitty may not consistently show problems, he may be more prone to problem behaviour if he has some insecurity non-stop. Changes to the household - new furniture, moving home, the owner having a different work schedule, addition or departure of a family member, etc, can increase their stress levels to where they resort to coping behaviour such as this
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    I am going to be introducing two adult cats to each other soon and want it to be successful. Any tips?

    Info: 1 male cat, age unknown, probably over 5 years old. Stray, possibly former colony cat. Neutered. Showed up at boyfriend's house 3 years ago. Was outdoors until two months ago, now indoor/outdoor. Still not secure inside the house. Learning to trust me, now that I'm able to visit about once every week. Mild, accommodating personality, but I wonder if that is because he's adjusting to being indoors and that he might be less timid than he appears to be at first. However, when outdoors, he accommodated some other cats that came around, plus other critters like raccoons and skunks, but had a cat or two that he would not allow into his territory.

    1 female cat, about 4.5 years old. Dumped at vet at an unknown date then given to a rescue organization about 2.5 years ago. Cycled between PetSmart and foster homes until I adopted her a little over a year ago. Neutered. Queen of the house, which I'm working on. She didn't get enough attention since I was taking care of my mom, so her behavior worsened, though it wasn't the best when I got her. She does settle down nicely when I do give her the attention she needs. I suspect that moving once again, after having been unsettled for most of her life, is going to be hard for her. Plus she is moving into another cat's territory, plus a human male's territory. I think she is okay with my boyfriend, but I think she sees him as dominant and there may be a bit of a struggle there as she likes to be the dominant one.

    We have started exchanging towels that the cats have lain on so that they get used to each other's scents. When we actually move, I plan to keep my girl in a spare bedroom while the cats get used to each other. I am looking for a crate to buy so that I can put her in it and let him interact with her, while still providing a safe place so they can't fight. I've read that I should feed them together at this time so they associate good things with each other. I also plan on switching that and putting him in the crate, or the spare bedroom, while she gets to explore a bit. I don't want her to feel isolated while in the bedroom, so I plan on spending as much time as possible with her. Is this a good plan? Can I improve it?
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    Make sure you have a good owner who actually feeds you food from time to time... *he says weakly before taking his final breath, scrunched up into a ball within his inadequately sized cage without anything that could be called a door.*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eilonwy View Post
    I am going to be introducing two adult cats to each other soon and want it to be successful. Any tips?

    Info: 1 male cat, age unknown, probably over 5 years old. Stray, possibly former colony cat. Neutered. Showed up at boyfriend's house 3 years ago. Was outdoors until two months ago, now indoor/outdoor. Still not secure inside the house. Learning to trust me, now that I'm able to visit about once every week. Mild, accommodating personality, but I wonder if that is because he's adjusting to being indoors and that he might be less timid than he appears to be at first. However, when outdoors, he accommodated some other cats that came around, plus other critters like raccoons and skunks, but had a cat or two that he would not allow into his territory.
    One thing to keep in mind at all times is that change = stress - for any animal. Moving, introducing to a new cat and a new family - aka you, is going to be a looot on his plate, so be patient and see if you can help parse this for him, one thing at a time.


    1 female cat, about 4.5 years old. Dumped at vet at an unknown date then given to a rescue organization about 2.5 years ago. Cycled between PetSmart and foster homes until I adopted her a little over a year ago. Neutered. Queen of the house, which I'm working on. She didn't get enough attention since I was taking care of my mom, so her behavior worsened, though it wasn't the best when I got her. She does settle down nicely when I do give her the attention she needs. I suspect that moving once again, after having been unsettled for most of her life, is going to be hard for her. Plus she is moving into another cat's territory, plus a human male's territory. I think she is okay with my boyfriend, but I think she sees him as dominant and there may be a bit of a struggle there as she likes to be the dominant one.

    We have started exchanging towels that the cats have lain on so that they get used to each other's scents. When we actually move, I plan to keep my girl in a spare bedroom while the cats get used to each other. I am looking for a crate to buy so that I can put her in it and let him interact with her, while still providing a safe place so they can't fight. I've read that I should feed them together at this time so they associate good things with each other. I also plan on switching that and putting him in the crate, or the spare bedroom, while she gets to explore a bit. I don't want her to feel isolated while in the bedroom, so I plan on spending as much time as possible with her. Is this a good plan? Can I improve it?
    It sounds like a good plan! I wouldn't personally use a crate, but just the door to the spare bed room, though a crate can work in a pinch. One thing you're going to have to potentially watch with her once she settles in and you've done the introduction exercise is possible possession aggression due to her back ground - the whole non-stop moving around can affect a cat the way it can a foster child, where they just start acting out because they don't feel they belong anywhere. Not saying it will happen, but keep a weather eye out, and make sure she has her cat furniture in important spaces like the bedroom and the living room (or the room that gets the most activity from humans, basically) and regular playtime (never with hands! Always use a fishing rod toy!) to channel that energy productively and give her a feeling belonging.

    I'm going to leave you with some links to some articles I once upon a time wrote. They're a bit wordy (sorry), but they should give you a step-by-step plan on how to do both the move and the introduction to the other cat, for you to follow. I might include some extra ones as well that I feel are possibly interesting to you, if that's ok - if you already know this shit or it's not relevant, just nvm me. I prefer to err on the side of too much info

    Here's the one on adopting a cat and readying them for that move into a new home
    Here's the one on cat introduction

    Aside from those, you may wanna check out these:

    Cat Furniture Placement - Where To Put That Scratching Post - InfoBarrelSuggestions
    Indoors or Outdoors?
    Becoming a multicat household
    Extra information on how cats view territory and why and how proper introductions make all the difference.
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