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    Quote Originally Posted by nebbykoo View Post
    I was on meds for years, and it never really helped much. Side effects were fairly debilitating too. Now I'm trying to beat this little monster through therapy, and lots of it. It seems to be working a little, but only time will tell. Basically, confronting bad shit that happened at the dawn of my life is the goal, but I cant' remember a lot of it, so catch-22, in some ways. I'm going to try hypnosis as well, and ayuwasca in December. Might as well hit it from all angles...
    I know friends who've had therapy for depression through the NHS, too. I think they were in worse shape than I am though so I don't know if they'd consider it necessary. I don't know if you have to look suicidal! The therapy I had was for a fear of flying phobia and I said I was afraid I'd get to the point of never being able to get on a plane again, so...
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    Quote Originally Posted by nebbykoo View Post
    Docs will just put you on meds.
    Ask for Buproprion. It's supposed to have fewer side effects.

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    What kind of side effects are depression meds generally supposed to have, anyway? I don't know much about this. I mean, particularly as I'm not feeling too bad at the moment it is likely that the side effects would outweigh the benefits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkRoad View Post
    I know friends who've had therapy for depression through the NHS, too. I think they were in worse shape than I am though so I don't know if they'd consider it necessary. I don't know if you have to look suicidal! The therapy I had was for a fear of flying phobia and I said I was afraid I'd get to the point of never being able to get on a plane again, so...
    So-called 'mild' depression can be worse than major depression, because it's insidious and longer lasting, so 'looking suicidal' or not should never be a criterion for treatment. If it's detrimental to you, it's best to work it out as much as possible, or more crying jags are in the forecast.
    I'm feeling a little better in the last week, but I went through months of crying all the time, for no discernible reason. I would wake up in the morning, and BAM, start sobbing. Any little thing could set it off. I’d try to get it together, and go to work. I guess it’s a bit trying, this business of life, or so my volcanic emotional eruptions would seem to indicate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkRoad View Post
    What kind of side effects are depression meds generally supposed to have, anyway? I don't know much about this. I mean, particularly as I'm not feeling too bad at the moment it is likely that the side effects would outweigh the benefits.
    Insomnia, agitation, impotence, dry mouth, racing heart, a few others. Some meds will make you fat, especially the older ones, some will make you lose weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nebbykoo View Post
    Insomnia, agitation, impotence, dry mouth, racing heart, a few others. Some meds will make you fat, especially the older ones, some will make you lose weight.
    Hmm...

    Actually, something that made me "fat" wouldn't be so bad (up to a point!) as I'm a bit underweight!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkRoad View Post
    I remember you mentioned exercise to me before... I do it intermittently but not nearly enough. I lack the motivation I know that's not a good excuse, but it's true. (I do walk fast a lot when I'm out walking, which is fairly often, but it's probably not regular enough.)

    It's one of the things that sucks about being on my own. I have no one to motivate me. Or to help me motivate me. I notice even when I have a visitor from time to time that I get out of bed more easily in the morning.
    Engage in a sport that can be done alone or even with friends. Don't you have interests besides things that involve being indoors or completely still? If it's outside, fun, and your moving, then it doesn't matter what you do. You could take a friend along or just zone out and focus on what your doing.
    Basically something to get you off your obtuse state of mind that entrails with irritability. It can be anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Undeclared View Post
    Engage in a sport that can be done alone or even with friends. Don't you have interests besides things that involve being indoors or completely still? If it's outside, fun, and your moving, then it doesn't matter what you do. You could take a friend along or just zone out and focus on what your doing.
    Basically something to get you off your obtuse state of mind that entrails with irritability. It can be anything.
    I do walk a lot because I live in a city I love walking around, and when I get going, it can be for at least a couple of miles, briskly. I might not be doing so bad on the exercise side in that respect, but I should probably start keeping note of when/where to get a better idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkRoad View Post
    Hmm...

    Actually, something that made me "fat" wouldn't be so bad (up to a point!) as I'm a bit underweight!
    It's hard to lose weight. Maybe you should stay at the weight you are?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkRoad View Post
    I just don't feel that bad RIGHT NOW. It would have made more sense for me to go to the doctor to talk about depression in the spring, when I probably did have at least a low-level episode. I'm not that keen to go on meds either. I've had therapy a couple of years ago, but it wasn't for depression, it was for a phobia. I've never talked to a doctor about particularly feeling depressed.

    I sort of feel like I should go to the doctor but it seems a bit weird to go and say "I think I've been depressed a few times in the past seven years, but probably not right now, and I'm a bit scared of the dark winter coming up, and I lack energy."
    OK, first off remember that I'm no professional when it comes to medical illness so I'll have to majorly qualify my advice accordingly.

    That said, I would ask what are your expectations of the Dr. why speak to them as opposed to anyone else?

    Depression can be endogenuous, organic and a medical disorder but I suspect that you would have much less control and experience much more distress, very possibly you'd not consider yourself ill either, on the other hand it could be exogenous (I dont know if I'm spelling these terms correctly but I'm familiar with the concepts) or situational depression, which would be something which you could experience intermittantly, its much more commonplace and it would be suspiscious if in certain situations people dont experience it to be frank.

    Endogenous depression would be caused by lesions on the brain or brain abnormalities or other disordered or abnormal hormonal or body chemistry, it can be symptomatic of something else, there was a lot of misdiagnosed depressive or bio-polar disease before diabetes was as well understood as what it is today but generally its not a consequence of environmental or situational triggers, either life space events or sensitivites to toxins or food stuffs.

    Situational depression is caused by life space events, although some people are more susceptible than others, vulnerability can be a result of trauma, at any time, the over taxing of existing copeing strategies, the adoption of the wrong sorts of copeing strategies, such as avoiding or dodging problems which wont go away instead of properly identifying realistic solutions, or vulnerability which is organic/physical/medical such as injuries besides trauma, like abusing substances over a prolonged period of time.

    Doctors are likely only going to tell you something like this and suggest pharmaceuticals which will counter any bio-chemical imbalances, they could prescribe rest or a period of sick leave from work or make a referral to some sort of therapist but that's it in all likelihood. Despite its history at a time medicine, even psychiatry, perhaps even particularly psychiatry, is very circumscribed when it comes to mental ill health, often if its inorganic and behavioural or emotional they dont want to know, its someone elses terrain.

    Martin Seligman, who wrote about learned helplessness and learned optimism also wrote a book called What you can change, and what you cant, which is among one of the most objective assessments of mental health, medicine and therapy, to say that it is skeptical about the remedies which medicine and therapy can provide when what is being hoped for is in some way transformative would be putting it mildly. On the other hand he does suggest that with insight and foreknowledge, carefully considering triggers, patterns, consequences, some sort of realistic copeing could be worked out for the inevitable or at least expected tribulations.

    On a different note, I've experienced this kind of thing, although I've experienced violence or challenges which could make it explicable sometimes (on one occasion a Dr. told me when I was experiencing chest pain I'd attributed to a flu or something that I'd experienced a number of assaults and perhaps just needed a vacation, he was willing to sign sick lines if that was what it took).

    Anyway, I was convinced I was having a sort of good year, bad year cycle, at that time I read Bertrand Russell's Conquest of Happiness and it really helped, its not a self-help book, its not really therapy either, its not even really what I'd consider philosophy (unless in a sort of really practical, personal sense) but its a good book on the topic of happiness and misery, the most important thing I took away from it is actually in the title, happiness isnt a given, it can require struggle at times and effort. Medicine or therapy could help clear some obsticles or perhaps highlight what the obsticles are but it doesnt change that. At least not much.

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