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    I think you should eat some magic mushrooms and see what happens.

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    God no.
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    (I was kidding)

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    Heh, I know . Bears mentioning though
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    I'm considering writing out everything before I go so I can show it to the counselor when I have my introductory session. Is this a good idea or just stupid? I'm just afraid I might go in there and only talk about 1 thing when in fact there's a lot of different things bothering me right now... Is a "letter" of this kind unusual?
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    Go for it. If you're worried you'll forget things at least doing so will take that off your mind. I've done it before and there was no strange reaction. It was such a weight off of my shoulders to not have to try to list everything that i could remember.
    "You can't take a picture of this...it's already gone."

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    Cool. I might just do that. If nothing else, writing it all out on paper will help me order my thoughts before I go in I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oeufa View Post
    Wow. A lot of stuff in that article does fit and makes sense. Where would I go for a blood test? GP?
    Try the Broda Barnes basal method first, their foundation actually goes through the bs of blood test diagnosis on paper to appease the staggering density of orthodox ways and then proceeds to do other things to determine a definite overview like actually listen to the patent. Orthodox almost sounds religious but hell medicine seems to becoming as black and white as religion sometimes.

    The normal basal body temperature range is between 97.7 and 98.2. Low basal temperatures, below 97.7, may reflect hypothyroidism; high basal temperatures, above 98.2, may be evidence of hyperthyroidism. The function of the thyroid gland can be determined by measuring your basal temperature and that can be done with something as simple as a thermometer.

    Use an oral glass thermometer.
    Shake the thermometer down before going to bed, and leave it on the bedside table within easy reach.
    immediately upon awakening, and with as little movement as possible, place the thermometer firmly in the armpit next to the skin, and leave it in place for 10 minutes.
    Record the readings for three consecutive days.

    What to do when going to the doctor is asking for more than just TSH which may still practically leave Dr's clueless without them sending you to the endocrinologist.

    TSH – Thyroid stimulating hormone
    FT4 – Free thyroxine
    FT3 – Free liothyronine
    TT4 – Total thyroxine
    TT3 – Total liothyronine
    rT3 – reverse T3
    TPOAb – Thyroperoxidase antibodies
    TgAb – Antithyroglobulin antibodies

    Some of these are extra's that doctors are reluctant to want to test for.

    And I always recommend more iodine and magnesium as very beneficial to your body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fan.of.Devin View Post
    A high percentage of misdiagnosis does go on in the medical and psychiatric profession... But, misinformation coming from the direction of the anti-medicine crowd doesn't help, though.
    Prozac

    Based on documents recently obtained by FREEDOM under the Freedom of Information Act, as of September 16, 1993, 28,623 reports of adverse reactions to Prozac had been received by the FDA. These included such effects as delirium, hallucinations, convulsions, violent hostility, aggression, psychosis, 1,885 suicide attempts and 1,734 deaths - 1,089 by suicide.

    Fraudulent nature of clinical trials

    Other documents released under the Freedom of Information Act show the fraudulent nature of Prozac's clinical trials which led to FDA approval of the drug. According to an FDA document dated March 28, 1985, guidelines constructed by Lilly for the clinical trials excluded the reporting of "adverse experiences caused by depression."

    The FDA report admitted this skewed the results, stating: "NOTE: The exhortation to exclude experiences caused by depression may have altered the relative frequencies of many adverse experiences. Each investigator would have had his own idea of what depressive experiences might comprise resulting in a lack of generalizability from one investigator to the next. Not surprisingly, many antidepressants... do produce adverse effects which are known to be symptoms of different kinds of depressions (e.g., insomnia, nausea, anxiety, tension, restlessness) leading to a possible under-representation of these effects."

    The subsequent under-reporting of adverse effects during the clinical trials caused the scientific data on Prozac to be inaccurate, if not completely fraudulent. Nevertheless, the FDA's Psychopharmacologic Drugs Advisory Committee relied upon this information to assert that Prozac was "safe" and "effective."

    Empirical evidence, however, has made clear what the FDA committee was unable or unwilling to see: that Prozac causes suicidal ideation and senseless violence.

    Other FOIA documents show still more examples of agency officials going to bat for Lilly.

    In 1985, after tests of Prozac found the drug not to be significantly more effective than the placebo, an FDA statistician suggested to Lilly that the test results be evaluated differently - causing the results to come out more favorably for Prozac.

    And in August 1991, shortly before the FDA hearing on Prozac, a document shows that the FDA executive Paul Leber, concerned about "the large volume of reports of all kinds on Prozac (more than 15,000)," pressured personnel in charge of the agency's adverse reaction reporting system to discount the large number of reports of adverse reactions to Prozac as "of limited value."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fan.of.Devin View Post
    I question your understanding of both pharmaceuticals and chemistry...

    Yes, fluoxetine (Prozac) contains fluorine atoms, but that is a completely irrelevant thing to point out.
    This is comparable to calling water a "concentrated hydrogen compound", and deducing that water must be highly flammable because it contains hydrogen atoms.
    You seem to be somewhat naive.

    Dr Barry Durrant-Peatfield writes

    The fluoride salts used are waste products from manufacturing processes and are cheap and plentiful, and I’m very sorry to say are shoveled into the water with poor regard for measured amounts. They aim for 1 to 2 or even 3 parts per million of fluoride to water but chemical testing has shown that much higher levels than this are by no means uncommon. Many people living in fluoridated catchments areas are exposed on a daily basis to levels of fluoride toxic to other body systems as well as the thyroid. I believe the increasing incidence of hypothyroidism is a major consequence of this, and the effect on the Gq/11 proteins is closely related to the increasing incidence of autism.

    Research in the USA as far back as 1944 (the Manhattan Project) showed that fluoride is a powerful central nervous system toxin. In 1995 and 1998 Dr Mullenix’s research showed that fluoride accumulates progressively in the brain tissue, notably in that part of the brain called the hippocampus. Fluoride was also found to be associated with behavioral problems further evidence has shown that fluoride acts as an enzyme poison, affecting many enzymes within the body. It was found that fluoride can be ingested at any time of life to wreak its damaging effects; but of great concern was the effect found in utero on brain development. Even very small amounts were shown to have an effect on the development of intelligence.

    The Gq/11 connection
    The effectiveness within the cells themselves of thyroid hormone, and we’re now talking about liothyronine (T3), in raising the metabolic activity of the cell, is governed by substances which switch the process on, or switch it off. The alpha-adrenergic receptors are one such, and the enzyme phosphodiesterase is another. But of crucial importance are the G1 proteins, of which for thyroid receptors there are four, two to switch on and two to switch off. The chief and most important switcher off is the one called Gq/11.

    The object of the Gq/11 especially is to inhibit or slow down the activity if T3 in stimulating cellular metabolism. If blood thyroid hormones are low, this is picked up by the hypothalamus and it respond by producing TRH, which now is passed to the pituitary to stimulate it to produce more TSH. TSH stimulates the thyroid to produce T4 & T3, but the T3 stimulates the production of Gq/11, which reduces the activity of T3 in the cell until blood levels have normalized. This is all very well and good unless there is, for some reason, an abnormal exaggerated over-activity of Gq/11. this, it turns out can happen under influence of fluoride compounds, and silica, beryllium and aluminum; the result is that the metabolic activity of the cell is wrongly reduced.

    It gets worse. Some fluoride compounds actually prevent the TRH – from the hypothalamus – binding to the pituitary cells which make TSH. Consequently, the circulating TSH drops even though (due to low thyroid levels) it should be high. This of course means the TSH blood test may be quite wrong. So we have two really awful problems to worry about. One is that the Gq/11 proteins in our modern polluted environment may overwork and shut down thyroid activity – thus reducing metabolism – and the other is that if this does happen, blood tests may not show it, especially the widely used TSH test.

    Unfortunately, we cannot even leave it here. We noted that these Gq/11 proteins are over-activated by the presence of fluoride, and that fluoride can also work to reduce TSH output; but fluoride has not finished its evil work yet. Fluoride can actually displace the iodine in thyroid compounds, which means those with fluoride in their makeup don’t work, although blood tests will show no sign of this, since being halogens the chemical response is the same. And if that wasn’t enough, the conversion of T4 to T3 can also be interfered with. What happens here is that the 5’-deiodinase enzymes are targeted and reverse T3 in manufactured at the expense of normal T3, which as you will recall is biologically inactive, promoting a hypothyroid state.

    We must mention again the Gq/11 connection; the G proteins switch on or switch off the activity of T3 in the cell and the manufacture of TSH. The Gq/11 connection, which switches off T3 response and TSH production, is sensitive to certain tissue poisons, most particularly fluorides, which cause it to overact in shutting down metabolism. Prozac is an especially unfortunate choice, since its molecule contains fluoride – and therefore any improvement may be at the heavy price of worsening the underlying cause. We can now see more clearly how the thyroid-adrenal axis, each function affecting the other, can cause the condition of lowered metabolic activity at all levels.

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