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    All i can really say is that if you have a real problem choosing healthier items dining out, or at a fast food restaurant, then you shouldn't dine out.

    if you have to eat low carb for health reasons..why do you even bother trying to eat out? I had a boyfriend who was a diabetic, he has been since he was 3 years old and he always opted for healthier food. If we would go out for hot wings, he would ask that they not be breaded, and that the sauce be on the side. I think there is always a healthier option. Honestly i never go out to eat for breakfast and i eat oatmeal every morning for breakfast, so i don't really know what that is like.

    The few times i have gone out for breakfast were times that i wasn't striving for a healthier lifestyle, so i would indulge in those beautiful pancakes with extra butter and syrup.



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    And something appearing small, doesn't necessarily mean that it is calorie-wise. I can eat a good deal, but a normal fast food meal at Wendy's could account for almost half of my daily caloric intake. Now, when people at fast food 3-4 times a day, you're looking at possibly thousands of calories per day over maintanence.

    wow, one day, before i was dieting, i went to jack in the box and got an ultimate cheeseburger and a large order of curly fries. I went and looked at the nutritional information and i had consumed almost 2000 calories. that is just unhealthy, and i know people who eat like that 3 times a day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scantilyclad View Post
    All i can really say is that if you have a real problem choosing healthier items dining out, or at a fast food restaurant, then you shouldn't dine out.

    if you have to eat low carb for health reasons..why do you even bother trying to eat out? I had a boyfriend who was a diabetic, he has been since he was 3 years old and he always opted for healthier food. If we would go out for hot wings, he would ask that they not be breaded, and that the sauce be on the side. I think there is always a healthier option. Honestly i never go out to eat for breakfast and i eat oatmeal every morning for breakfast, so i don't really know what that is like.

    The few times i have gone out for breakfast were times that i wasn't striving for a healthier lifestyle, so i would indulge in those beautiful pancakes with extra butter and syrup.
    Well, sometimes, you think of others. I'm the only diabetic in the family. The point of my post was my perspective on the American diet as one who really sees what that is from having to.

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    I have a good friend who is insulin resistant, and low carb dieting works for her. I have a retired colleague/friend who SWEARS by low carb diets -- but he also plays raquetball for about an hour every day. For years now, he looks great (use to be on the chunky side), and his lipid tests are always great. He has a family history of high cholesterol and high blood pressure (he did, too, until he did the low-carb). So two out of maybe 20 folks that I know are successful with this type of diet.
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    So two out of maybe 20 folks that I know are successful with this type of diet.
    That's a lot better statistic than usual diets! Weight Watchers is generally regarded as being proven to be most successful for weight loss and it only has a success rate of 1/200.

    One thing about diets, everyone has a different definition. When you say this type of diet (low carb)- what do you mean - 50 g of carb a day, 200g? On Atkins and South Beach you get to set your own limit (on SB you don't even have to count). So when an Atkins dieter has lost all their weight,their diet could resemble a typical diet just sans the sugar and refined carbs.

    But you are right that it's hard - eating without sugar and refined carbs is HARD - sugar is in everything!

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    Quote Originally Posted by alicia91 View Post
    Even with low-carb diets you need to reduce your calories. It's still basic science. THe idea however behind them is that since carbs turn to sugar in your bloodstream and you then get an insulin response to clean up the sugar and in many cases in overweight people the insulin makes the blood-sugar too low. Then your body craves more sugar and starch. When you are young and healthy it's probably OK to deal with this, but when you are older and have been having this reaction you eventurally become Insulin Resistant which is the precursor to Type 2 Diabetes. That's why the Diabetic diet is low-carb - no blood sugar swings. My doc believes that I'm mildly Insulin Resistant at this point and need to get it under control or I'm headed for Type 2.

    The unfortunate thing about some of the low-carb diets is that their authors have 'sold-out'. Atkins, South Beach and The Zone are a few that come to mind - the authors all clearly promote all-natural, whole,non-processed foods yet when they become famous they begin selling their version of processed food or they sell their name to someone who makes it - dinners, bars,shakes etc. I guess there is a huge demand for convenience foods.
    So, you do know *why* you lose weight on an atkins diet though, right? Protein sends signals to your stomach->brain that you are full and so you want to stop eating. That's why high protein meats (the classic low carb meal) make you feel full. When they work it is only because you are eating a low calorie diet. And it is only a low calorie diet because you feel full more easily.. if you eat large amounts of low carb food you'll get fat just like most other foods, and in the bargain it is likely to be especially unhealthy as a way to do it.

    The diabetes risk is low with a regular diet unless you are obese.

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    The diabetes risk is low with a regular diet unless you are obese.
    Exactly what is a "regular" diet? There is no such thing! The 'average' American diet is full of fat, sugar, refined-crap, low on vegetables and fiber and it's my understanding that it's not healthy at all. But my good friend is healthy and follows her version of 'regular' which is vegetarian. I have another friend who follows a regular diet and it's paleo-based.

    So, you do know *why* you lose weight on an atkins diet though, right? Protein sends signals to your stomach->brain that you are full and so you want to stop eating. That's why high protein meats (the classic low carb meal) make you feel full. When they work it is only because you are eating a low calorie diet.
    I don't know if I agree that it's as simple as that. Dr. Atkins, Dr. Schwarzbein, Dr. Agaston, the Eades and others all say that many of us are simply eating too much along with eating the wrong things. But several of them believe that there is a metabolic advantage involved with low-carbing. For example I know there have been studies comparing two groups who ate the same number of calories, one group low-carbed and one didn't. Even after the inital water-loss, the low-carb group lost more. In my case, it's irrelevant, because my motives are to stablilize my blood sugar (since I'm starting to have trouble with that) and prevent diabetes. And while I'm technically overweight, I'm not in the obese category.

    I realize that the initial intent of this post has gone way off tangent (and I helped contribute to it by debating the merits). I originally posted hoping to hear from other low-carbers and see what they were doing and so forth. But it's turning into a negative thing from people who I don't even know have ever tried it. I have no trouble defending low-carb - I have lots of links to studies etc. but that's wasn't my intention here. If any of you are interested in learning more and debating the merits of these plans please join me at Low Carb Friends OR we could start a new thread and debate various diets.

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    I've tried it. Believe me, I've read all the books. I even lost a little weight on Atkins back in the day but I felt like crap all the time. I was super, super diligent, too. I fat-fasted twice to try to kick the cravings but now I can't believe I ever ate that way. It seems SO unhealthy.

    The best evidence for a healthy diet that I have seen (unbiased evidence) indicates that the bulk of the ideal human diet should be vegetable matter (which includes fruits, beans, and nuts), as much of it as possible fresh, with limited grains and even more limited animal products.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alicia91 View Post
    Exactly what is a "regular" diet? There is no such thing! The 'average' American diet is full of fat, sugar, refined-crap, low on vegetables and fiber and it's my understanding that it's not healthy at all. But my good friend is healthy and follows her version of 'regular' which is vegetarian. I have another friend who follows a regular diet and it's paleo-based.



    I don't know if I agree that it's as simple as that. Dr. Atkins, Dr. Schwarzbein, Dr. Agaston, the Eades and others all say that many of us are simply eating too much along with eating the wrong things. But several of them believe that there is a metabolic advantage involved with low-carbing. For example I know there have been studies comparing two groups who ate the same number of calories, one group low-carbed and one didn't. Even after the inital water-loss, the low-carb group lost more. In my case, it's irrelevant, because my motives are to stablilize my blood sugar (since I'm starting to have trouble with that) and prevent diabetes. And while I'm technically overweight, I'm not in the obese category.

    I realize that the initial intent of this post has gone way off tangent (and I helped contribute to it by debating the merits). I originally posted hoping to hear from other low-carbers and see what they were doing and so forth. But it's turning into a negative thing from people who I don't even know have ever tried it. I have no trouble defending low-carb - I have lots of links to studies etc. but that's wasn't my intention here. If any of you are interested in learning more and debating the merits of these plans please join me at Low Carb Friends OR we could start a new thread and debate various diets.
    Well, I meant no offence. I just watched a very convincing objective BBC documentary about low-carb diets that tended to show they worked just because people ended up eating less calories. Not in itself a bad thing.. I suspect...

    By the way, I was quite disturbed to see that recent research shows that being a little overweight is less dangerous than being obese. It's so counter-intuitive. But a major study (I am afraid I dont have reference to it, as it was on a BBC radio science programme i was listening to) found pretty conclusively that obesity kills, but being a few pounds overweight lowered the risks in comparison with being ideal weight. And you are likely in that category (just like me) of needing.. wanting.. to lose 10-15 lbs to be ideal weight but actually might end up with a shorter lifespan if you did. At least statistically in terms of risks for cancers etc.

    Quite agree about the typical American Diet. The typical British one (which I avoid for a mediterranean/asian one) isn't great but I am horrified by the US one when I visit, and in particular portion sizes. That seems the biggest problem facing the US public.. more eating out and with over-large portions. Get that under control and most other things should follow

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    Geoff - no offense taken. I just was suprised at the negativity towards it especially when I mentioned that my physician wants me to cut carbs. I've got more to lose though - I think about 30 pounds.

    I think what's happened with "portion control" school of thought is that people are eating crap, then getting hungry and therefore not being able to stop themselves from gorging. I mean, what's going to fill you up more and keep you satisfied - a bowl of cornflakes and skim milk, with a side of orange juice (Typical 'heathy American Breakfast') or a cup of cottage cheese with blueberries, perhaps with a celery stick with peanut butter on the side?

    Ivy - have you ever looked at the South Beach Diet? It's heavily vegetable-based with lean meats, good fats, no sugar, low-fat dairy, nuts and low-glycemic fruits.

    I've decided to give the Schwarzbein plan another go rather than Atkins. It's just easier for my livestyle. So today I'm having:

    Breakfast - mix of plain yogurt, cottage cheese (1/4 c) and blueberries, hard boiled egg

    Lunch - large salad with grilled chicken (4 oz), oil and vinegar dressing, 2 rye vasa crisp bread with scrape of butter

    Snack - 2 celery sticks with almond butter

    Dinner - stuffed green peppers (made with ground beef, brown rice, and a little tomato sauce), green salad and asparagus

    Snack if needed - Rye crisp with laughing cow cheese

    Total carbs (not including non-starchy vegetables) - about 45 grams
    Total calories - about 1400

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    Quote Originally Posted by alicia91 View Post
    Ivy - have you ever looked at the South Beach Diet? It's heavily vegetable-based with lean meats, good fats, no sugar, low-fat dairy, nuts and low-glycemic fruits.
    Yep, the SB is what I was referring to when I said earlier that lowcarb CAN be healthy. But honestly, and maybe this is my inner P shining through, I think using any heavily detailed prescribed "plan" is doomed to failure- I beat myself up less if I simply aim for 90/10 good to not-so-good food intake.

    Having said that I did start Weight Watchers over the weekend because I need to build in more awareness of portion control. It's not a restrictive diet so you can pretty much make it what you want. I know people who low-carb on WW.
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