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    My cholesteral, HDL, and tricylycerides etc. are all much better when I've been low-carbing for a while.

    But there are different types of low-carb plans. Atkins is low-carb but not high-protein, and yes, you can eat lobster and steak but according to his last book you don't need a lot of it (about 30% of your total calories). One difference between Atkins and some other low-carb plans is that he doesn't limit fats, except for trans-fats. So natural, saturated fats are OK. The authors of other plans disagree with him, yet they all agree that it's the high-fat, high-starch diet that's the worst and has caused America to be so fat.

    Of course it's all very controversial with lots of research and statistics on both sides but I'm going to agree with the concept that the low-fat movement over the last 20 years has worsened the health of Americans. We have continued to become fatter.

    WIth a higher-fat diet, we simply tend to eat less, be more satisfied and don't constantly obsess over food.

    Well, I'm not sure it's a mistaken impression. I've read the book, and I know about "fat fasts," and Atkins DOES (or did, before he died) talk up the amount of delicious steaks and lobsters you can eat all the time on the plan. Yeah, you're supposed to eat veggies too, but that much meat can't be good for you IMO.
    But "fat-fasts" are only supposed to be done in extreme cases of metabolic resistance, and he talks about it as a short-term emergency measure. I think what people forget is that his system is based on a ladder approach. Initially it's mostly meats and vegetables, then you add in more vegetables, then you add in fruit, then you add in dairy , then you add in grains, etc. The problem is that many people stay on level one for too long because it promotes the most rapid weight-loss which was not his intention at all (for most people).

    I've tried every conceivable diet over the years and the 'moderation' approach simply doesn't work for me because as soon as I eat anything starchy, sugary my body goes haywire. The problem with the Atkins approach for me is that it is so limited initially and it's not easy. I'm very tempted to go with something a bit more liberal like the Schwarzbein principal or South Beach - but last time I tried SB, even though I was diligent I simply didn't lose any weight.

    My personal feeling is that we all have to find something that works for us long-term and becomes a lifestyle. As long as you are happy and you are healthy - then I say - do what works!

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    Before low-carbing, my lipids were extremely bad... now they're better than most teens the doc says. Most people think of Atkins as the more severe diet. What I follow is the maintenance Atkins although I don't attribute what I've done to him. I used my monitor to tell me what was safe to eat and later found it to be his maintenance diet.

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    low carb benefits are only temporary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scantilyclad View Post
    low carb benefits are only temporary.
    I'm inclined to agree. The best method is not following an off-the-shelf diet. Just eat 5-6 meals a day, all involving some amount of lean protein and complex carbs in at least the first 4. Eat a couple of hundred calories below your maintanence and there you go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metamorphosis View Post
    I'm inclined to agree. The best method is not following an off-the-shelf diet. Just eat 5-6 meals a day, all involving some amount of lean protein and complex carbs in at least the first 4. Eat a couple of hundred calories below your maintanence and there you go.

    yes it's really that easy.
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    I don't think Americans are fatter because they're eating low-fat. Americans are fatter because portion sizes are out of control, and suburban sprawl means most of us drive everywhere we go.
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    I also think American's are fat because of the indulgence of so many soft drinks and fast food. Cutting out fast food, and sodas alone can help you lose quite a bit of weight, or at least it helped me!

    it also helped jared, that guy from the subway commercials. =)

    also i don't understand how low fat diets has contributed to american's being fat? most people who eat low fat diets generally aren't fat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scantilyclad View Post
    I also think American's are fat because of the indulgence of so many soft drinks and fast food. Cutting out fast food, and sodas alone can help you lose quite a bit of weight, or at least it helped me!

    it also helped jared, that guy from the subway commercials. =)

    also i don't understand how low fat diets has contributed to american's being fat? most people who eat low fat diets generally aren't fat.
    The majority of fare at fast food places or any other kind of restaurant is starchy carbs. I know, I have to eat low carb for health reasons, and its tough eating out. Think about it.. starchy carbs are comforting because they're filling. Check out the menu next time at those pick-two-sides restaurants... you might find one or two non-starchy carbs in a list of a dozen. Eating out, for me, is usually meat, double salad and steamed low-carb veggie like green beans or broccoli. If they tell me corn or peas is the veggie, I leave.. who wants to just eat meat and salad.

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    Oh, and just try to eat breakfast out anywhere! If you don't like omeletes, don't even try. There's an epidemic of diabetes... even in teens... for a reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    I don't think Americans are fatter because they're eating low-fat. Americans are fatter because portion sizes are out of control, and suburban sprawl means most of us drive everywhere we go.
    And something appearing small, doesn't necessarily mean that it is calorie-wise. I can eat a good deal, but a normal fast food meal at Wendy's could account for almost half of my daily caloric intake. Now, when people at fast food 3-4 times a day, you're looking at possibly thousands of calories per day over maintanence.
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