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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    Some of us is not all of us, the original article implicated every single person in the United States, unless we can assume that the person who said this is discussing her own issues...
    It seemed to merely be saying that overeating has become common in American culture, not that every single American does it. I recently finished a good book on that topic.

    The End of Overeating

    On a side note, the "plus-sized" model in quoted the article, Crystal Renn, is around size 10/12 and she is gorgeous. I'm not sure if she's supposed to be an example of "fat' or what. If people are arguing that models her size shouldn't exist, that is just silly.

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    Rather than taking it literally, I think the article has a good point and would take this point even further than the writer.

    Why is food a reward or a form of consolation and why do we constantly reward or need consolation? Shouldn't food be something to sustain ourselves? Do we reward or console ourselves with water?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    Do we reward or console ourselves with water?
    I do, but that's just me.
    -Carefully taking sips from the Fire Hose of Knowledge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    I do, but that's just me.
    Must resist the temptation to ask the unaskable question(s) and then tease you!

    How about exercise? Do you both reward and console yourself with exercise?

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    ^actually some people with anorexia and/or bulimia will use exercise to purge their body of what they just ate or to avoid guilt over binging.

    the issue with this kind of thing is what's motivating you to do the behavior in question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    Must resist the temptation to ask the unaskable question(s) and then tease you!

    How about exercise? Do you both reward and console yourself with exercise?
    Sometimes, but water's the big one.

    I think my biggest consolatory behavior is bacterial infections, though.
    -Carefully taking sips from the Fire Hose of Knowledge

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    Hello, Very good post! Have some cake!
    I think the article points out something pretty smart, actually.

    Thanks with warms,

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    When we talk about the question "Is it okay to be fat," I think the important thing is to define 'fat' and the parameters we use to get there.

    Take BMI for example. Bodybuilders would be considered fat because their heavy muscle mass makes their BMI sky high; yet, they are not fat. Body fat percentage may be a good indicator, assuming your weighing mechanisms are correct and calibrated. Weight definitely is NOT a good indicator. Clothing size is also tricky since it varies from brand to brand.

    If we were to assume that body fat is a good indicator, where the 'normal percentage' for women would be between 20-30% for the average woman (less for athletes, but definitely not more, please) then I don't think these people are fat, even if they don't fall into the norm of the skinny models, who normally have scary fat percentages and often look like tall boys.

    So if we use the model industry as an indicator, we're basically all fat.

    It's not okay to be unhealthy and obese.

    It's perfectly fine to have beautiful curves if you are within your healthy weight range.

    What is not cool is all the crap in foods making people unnaturally fat. Foods are full of:

    - Preservatives
    - Artificial shit (sweeteners, flavor, color, and I don't wanna know what else)
    - Unhealthy natural shit (fructose but no fiber, caffeine, salt, sugar)

    Take soft drinks, for example. Terrible, terrible. They fill the shit with salt and sugar. The sugar is addictive, and the salt makes you crave more fluid, and most people aren't smart enough to drink water when they crave more fluid. Even the diet versions are full of artificial sweeteners and other shit, making your liver work overtime to detox your body, making it have no time or energy to burn fat. Then add caffeine, a diuretic that flushes water OUT of your body, and BOOM, you have a problem.

    Juice isn't much better. You have all the fructose and sugar that hits your blood stream in one big BOOM with little or no fiber to soften the blow. Even with pulp it's not that helpful. Then they often ADD sugar, as if that were even necessary.

    Eat the fruit instead. Then it isn't processed. You get the sweetness along with all the water, vitamins and minerals, and then the sugar isn't that bad because it's combined with fiber.

    Then you have all this crap with HFCS. Worst thing ever created. Anytime you buy anything cheap, you get what you pay for.

    And eat some fat, damn it. Low-fat foods are crammed full of sugar or HFCS, and that is even worse for the body than fat. At least you feel full longer when you eat fat.

    All I gotta say is: These guys wanna make money, and they don't give a fat rat's behind if you're healthy or not 'cause at the end of the day it was your choice.

    So is it okay to be 'fat'? Depends on your definition. If we're talking model style, then 20 BMI and size 4 is fat. That's ridiculous. But if we're talking holy shit you're gonna have a heart attack in two minutes fat, it's not a good idea. And trust me, we're on the best road with all this shit out there.

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    what about those who are fat due to disease? Often, diseases cause fat, not the other way around. Then, is it okay to be fat?

    Whatever, I'm making myself a chai latte, which *gasp* contains sugar, fat, and caffeine!
    -Carefully taking sips from the Fire Hose of Knowledge

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    I agree with OA, TWHS, noz. Haven't you ever met someone's who's eaten like a whole bag of popcorn or maybe 10 cookies JUST because they are stressed? I know someone who supposedly tries to lose weight but I don't think she will EVER lose weight because she ALWAYS inadvertently sabotages herself whenever she's stressed. Eating ice cream whenever one is sad is a rather unhealthy habit.

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