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    Quote Originally Posted by blankpages View Post
    A lot of people don't look anything like you'd think at a given height and weight. (A lot of women, in particular, look slimmer than you'd think at a certain height and weight). I was also struck by the wide range of body types that can all look normal and healthy.
    It's true. You hear all these numbers thrown around about what makes a woman "pretty"... but then you see the 198lb woman at 5'7" who looks pretty normal and can simply lift pianos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    It's true. You hear all these numbers thrown around about what makes a woman "pretty"... but then you see the 198lb woman at 5'7" who looks pretty normal and can simply lift pianos.
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    The statistics are probably heavily biased and inaccurate.

    That being said, however, the numbers of those who think they're fat really are disproportionately high... though not that high.

    Problem is that the media and general social consensus in general right now, is that if yeu weigh as much as the low end of the BMI, yeu're fat; unless yeu're so severely underweight that yeu don't show up on the scale at all, yeu are FAT. If yeu can't count yeur ribs with a shirt on, yeu are a FAT BLOATED WHALE.

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    Yeah, people are stupid. For advertising that crap, and believing it.




    Just remembered something I saw years ago that had me go grrrr at this very matter. On the old playstation 1, there was a game called "rhapsody", supposedly 'the musical rpg'. Honestly, there wasn't nearly that much music emphasis in it other than yeur weapons were all instruments, and occasional reference to it. It was more the "rpg for girls", and blatantly so. I enjoyed it I suppose, but it was mind numbingly stereotypical...

    The part that irritated me most though, I think, was there was one part where yeur main adversary (a rich brat of a girl with a HUGE attitude problem) calls yeur character pudgy and fat... because she's 85lbs. She weighed less than I did at the time I played it and I was unhealthily underweight at the time! And she was TALLER than me! O.o;

    This's kind of a weird, but rather blatant example of how this crap sneaks in everywhere, even in the least likely locations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    This survey was of women in Europe? You people aren't fat.

    The women in America must be practically suicidal.
    ahhhhhhhhh hahahahahah!!! I totally burst out laughing. that was so entertaining to read

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    Quote Originally Posted by spin-1/2-nuclei View Post
    I really take offense to weight classes in sports. I know to some extent they're necessary, but nobody ever takes height or skeletal structure into account and people like you end up having to starve and get sick and people like me end up having to binge out on deep fried doughnuts wrapped in bacon to gain weight and end up getting sick. There has to be a better way to make competitions physically equitable.

    It also seems like when they try to force people to "make weight" they don't look as good, my guess is because it's not natural.

    Like my friend that is 5'6, she is beautiful when she is her normal weight, but when she tires to lose weight she gets kinda sickly looking because her skeletal mass is larger than mine. I look skinny but I don't look boney, but when she tries to get really small she looks really boney. The worst part is that it was her doctor who told her she should try to lose some weight, not because she has any health problems, but because some stupid chart says she should. He didn't even take into consideration the fact that she was blessed with a pretty decent sized rack.
    Yeah, weight classes need to be done entirely differently. Hell, even the BMI chart is super flawed. I'm very muscular (not gross muscles) and curvy, so that's a lot of weight say, someone with no curves and no muscles who's the same height and weight as me. They're not as fit, but our BMI is the same. It just needs to be reassessed in general.
    I may weigh 150 lbs now, but everyone would guess that I weigh 120 and wear a size 6 jeans, while in reality I actually wear a size 14.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tawanda View Post
    Yeah, weight classes need to be done entirely differently. Hell, even the BMI chart is super flawed. I'm very muscular (not gross muscles) and curvy, so that's a lot of weight say, someone with no curves and no muscles who's the same height and weight as me. They're not as fit, but our BMI is the same. It just needs to be reassessed in general.
    I may weigh 150 lbs now, but everyone would guess that I weigh 120 and wear a size 6 jeans, while in reality I actually wear a size 14.
    Yarr... 'body mass index' is still a descent starting point, but at the same time... muscle is more dense than fat. So someone can be slim if muscled, but fat if the same weight with low muscle mass. Weight and height alone do not tell yeu if yeu're heavy because yeu are fit or not.

    There's other factors which cause problems as well; women have higher body fat than men (naturally hold more for various reasons, and breasts are pretty much almost pure fat so that's one obvious deposit location men don't have), so will naturally be 'bigger' at the same height/weight. Problem is, society has suggested women should be smaller... except that's not reasonable to believe.

    Different body types and race can also play a factor; there's virtually no black swimmers in competitive sports... because they naturally have lower body fat, and higher muscle, and fat floats, muscle sinks, so they blow all their energy trying to stay above water rather than moving forwards; even a really fat black guy looks significantly different and doesn't seem "as fat" as a fat white guy. There's not much one can do about these genetic differences.

    Same goes for people who are "big boned". Some people really flat out do have a large bone structure; I knew one friend of mine who was about 6'2, but his bone structure was MASSIVE. He wasn't fat, but he was never going to pass for skinny, no matter how much weight he lost. He could've been starving like an etheopean kid on tv, and still have looked fairly heavy.

    So yeah, we really need a better system, but any system we'd come up with would be either too simple, and significantly flawed, but at least understandable by the average person... or too complex to understand but accurate.

    We just can't win, can we? ;_;

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katsuni View Post
    So yeah, we really need a better system, but any system we'd come up with would be either too simple, and significantly flawed, but at least understandable by the average person... or too complex to understand but accurate.
    I think it's as simple as 'Hey, you look pretty healthy.' You can only determine on the outside. Someone that looks healthy could still have heart disease or non-hereditary diabetes, but you can't see inner organs, only the fat, so even in that sense it's flawed, but everything is flawed in some way or another. I could be the same size and height as one girl, but she could technically be considered overweight and unhealthy because of her body type (apple, pear, hourglass etc.) and weight proportions, while I would be considered healthy because I am fit, muscular, and appear to be thin. It's all based on appearance, really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katsuni View Post
    So yeah, we really need a better system, but any system we'd come up with would be either too simple, and significantly flawed, but at least understandable by the average person... or too complex to understand but accurate.

    We just can't win, can we? ;_;
    Sure we can, just stop judging people on their body size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    75% of women in the US are not fat.

    I remember in gym class, I saw a few girls in the locker room complaining about the slightest curve in their legs as being "fat". It was rather disgusting.
    Those be the stats, homeboy. Check it out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by spin-1/2-nuclei View Post
    I always get accused of being anorexic (which couldn't be further from the truth). I'm just skinny... I can't help it really. I certainly don't watch what I eat... I eat when I'm hungry and I stop eating when I'm not hungry anymore.
    You may not realize how rare that is in America...

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