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    Default To vaccinate or not to vaccinate?

    What do you think of vaccinations?

    I've recently started reading up on arguments against them and find them pretty scary. If I had known there was so much controversy about it I would have done research before. I'm not a medical professional though so when I read such-and-such report I just have to take their word for it. I need to read a lot more about the topic to feel more confident about my decisions and was wondering what others here think about the issue. E.g. can you recommend any particular reading material or websites? What have your experiences been? Do you know if it's possible to remove a vaccine from your system?
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    After much researching and considering, we only do diptheria and tetanus, and only begin after age 2. I would consider others if we traveled to other countries on a frequent basis.
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    Well, this is a very personal issue and every family is going to be different.

    I think both sides have their own scare tactics. You have to bypass all the hysteria on both sides to reach the middle.

    That being said, in the beginning, I was more weary of vaccinating my son, but in the end, after doing my own research, I decided that vaccinating was better in my personal opinion than not doing it. I have read both sides of the argument and have spoken with many medical professionals.

    I did however postpone his Hepatitis B vaccine. Instead of him having it at birth, his Pediatrician agreed to wait until he was a few months old.

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    For kids, I don't know, I have none

    for me? I'm vaccinated against everything probably travel to south america will do that! I'd prefer NOT to get yellow fever!
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    Quote Originally Posted by aphrodite-gone-awry View Post
    After much researching and considering, we only do diptheria and tetanus, and only begin after age 2. I would consider others if we traveled to other countries on a frequent basis.
    Why did you decide on those two?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lux View Post
    I think both sides have their own scare tactics. You have to bypass all the hysteria on both sides to reach the middle.

    Good luck.
    Thank you Yes, both sides are scary. I was already getting hysterical after reading the anti-vaccine arguments I just wish I had researched the issue before having my baby vaccinated. You grow up in this culture where they tell you this is what you need to be safe and they don't tell you that there is another side to the coin so that you are at least aware that there are alternatives. This is what is most upsetting to me.

    I am losing more and more trust in doctors, also based on other experiences not to do with vaccines.

    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    for me? I'm vaccinated against everything probably travel to south america will do that! I'd prefer NOT to get yellow fever!
    A family friend has said that he would vaccinate his children against certain diseases but not all of them, just the really bad ones that could leave you paralysed or something. I don't know about when I was a baby but as far back as I remember, I only ever got one vaccine, and that was only because someone came to my school to vaccinate all the kids in the school, not because of my parents. Even so I've never had any typical childhood disease like measles, mumps, etc. and rarely even get colds. So that also makes me wonder how necessary it is to inject toxins and such into your body. I'm also very suspicious of the pharmaceutical industry because of the corruption that goes on in it. I don't think every person working in pharma has bad intentions, but I do think there is enough corruption in it to make me distrustful of what they say I or my children need.
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    Get the damn vaccinations.

    All there is is a bunch of weak conspiracy theory stuff about how they're to brainwash us or give us disease.

    But in reality, vaccines are the reason we live to 80+ years old instead of being dead by 40. You don't hear about crap like polio or smallpox that much anymore, thanks to vaccine. And it's the reason why we'll never have a bubonic plague again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerbah View Post
    Thank you Yes, both sides are scary. I was already getting hysterical after reading the anti-vaccine arguments I just wish I had researched the issue before having my baby vaccinated. You grow up in this culture where they tell you this is what you need to be safe and they don't tell you that there is another side to the coin so that you are at least aware that there are alternatives. This is what is most upsetting to me.

    I am losing more and more trust in doctors, also based on other experiences not to do with vaccines.
    After my research I found I trusted the doctors more, to be honest.

    There is always another option, but the ramifications of not doing it seemed, to me at least, much worse than the alternative.

    Also please keep in mind studies are being done constantly because this is such a big issue. What you are reading from 2006, for an example, may not hold true today.

    Medicine changes frequently, as it should.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Get the damn vaccinations.

    All there is a bunch of weak conspiracy theory stuff about how they're to brainwash us or give us disease.

    But in reality, vaccines are the reason we live to 80+ years old instead of being dead by 40. You don't hear about polio or smallpox that much anymore, thanks to vaccine.
    I'm trying to avoid the conspiracy-theory stuff and fear-mongering and read things written by qualified experts in the field. To me, what they say is not conspiracy. I find it very convincing and well-intentioned at the very least, as I'm sure those on the other side of fence are too. But as I said at the beginning, since I'm not a medical professional myself, I'm not in a position to really judge how good anyone's argument is.

    I can't even really trust the average GP because as far as I understand, doctors are trained to diagnose disease but the drugs they prescribe are determined by the pharmaceutical industry. So my paediatrician doesn't necessarily know the details. So I am trying to find things written by vaccine research specialists. Heck, I had some irritation on my hand once and the doctor gasped and said, scabies, and gave me some ointment for it that made it worse before getting better but then it came back. I then went back to the doctor but happened to get another doctor at the same practice who was in a chatty mood and said that there is an inside joke in the medical profession that skin specialists don't actually really know what causes skin conditions. But they have a good guess. And he didn't think it was scabies. He prescribed something mild and said to check if I was reacting badly to something I was using in the home. It turns out I am allergic on my left hand only (not the right one) to washing-up liquid.

    Those sorts of things make me distrust that doctors really know what they're doing sometimes and if they just tell you the easiest spiel for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Get the damn vaccinations.

    All there is is a bunch of weak conspiracy theory stuff about how they're to brainwash us or give us disease.

    But in reality, vaccines are the reason we live to 80+ years old instead of being dead by 40. You don't hear about crap like polio or smallpox that much anymore, thanks to vaccine. And it's the reason why we'll never have a bubonic plague again.
    It's a good idea to investigate on a vaccine by vaccine basis, imo, if you have the time and inclination to do so. Vaccines have done a lot of good, but that doesn't mean that every vaccine and time frame in which they are recommended are necessarily the best for each person. I like to make informed choices when it comes to my most precious children.

    There is no vaccine routinely given for bubonic plague. It is a bacterial disease, treatable by antibiotics. And it could recur again at any time.

    One vaccine that is a ridiculous example of sheer public health policies, meaning you are a number and a statistic, is the Hep B vaccine given to babies. The only way one gets Hep B is through blood or body fluids, or from an infected birth mother, or family member. It is contracted more along the lines of an STI, or due to risky behavior. I think the immunization schedule for it is three vaccines, beginning at birth and continuing in their first year. I think this is analogous to child abuse. If or when kids become sexually active, they should have access to it, but to propagandize all mothers to give it when women are in labor in the hospital is overkill. Plus, they do not even know if antibodies will still be produced in the body later in life when the child does become sexually active, or participate in risky behaviors, necessitating more hepatitis B injections anyway.

    That is just one example of why parents really do need to be informed. I chose to do tetanus because it exists everywhere and death from tetanus is a real possibility; I don't want to worry about every puncture wound. Diptheria carries with it a 10% mortality rate, which is good enough for me. I can see a good arguement for getting pertussis because I've heard of very sick babies from that; it can be a very scary illness. As far as the others, I don't think it's so bad for children to get sick. I stay home with them, they are not in daycare, so they are not only not as likely to be exposed, but I am there to take care of them. And I breastfeed so long that that protects them and makes them get well faster too.

    Furthermore, there are more and more parent, and even physician groups, speaking out against vaccines; and some evidence to show that autism spectrum disorders are exascerbated by some vaccines. There are even more anecdotal stories about kids having seizures after routine vaccinations. Doctors are great at what they do, but you are still at the mercy of their own biases. Be wise and research for yourself, then you will be able to speak candidly to your health care professional.
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    We decide on what vaccines we'll have administered by comparing the relative risk of disease to the side effects. The ones we agree on get spread out over the course of months instead of being doubled and tripled up like many doctors do.
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