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    Vinegar smell will very quickly evaporate. I've even used undilluted ACV now and then with no smell after and no problems. I've concluded though that baking soda is not for me and ACV will not do the trick without it. I might try WEN. I have longer hair and so I generally can wash it every other day or every third. My scalp would probably thank me if I went a little longer, but I like showering and feeling clean and if my hair is wet anyway, then I also would prefer to have it clean too! My main problem is that due to frizz, I have to use product of some sort in my hair and after two days I don't want to add more. Sometime I can get away with just spraying it with water and rescrunching, but sometimes it fuzzes up a bit. I haven't been able to bring myself to do the olive oil treatment for scalp yet as I just can't imagine how much effort it will take to get it back out of my hair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Z Buck McFate View Post
    I tried the mix-with-water-first approach to the baking soda, and went down to about 1:4 with the vinegar last night. Interestingly, I think brushing it dry through my hair did more than pouring the already-wet concoction into it. Now that it's dry, it doesn't feel as clean as when I brushed the dry baking soda through it. I always brush my hair first, so it isn't the brushing that made a difference. I didn't use much baking soda though, so I'll try a thicker mix next time. Brushing the dry stuff through it was messy.
    Hmm, as long as I'm trying new things, maybe I'll try brushing in dry baking soda before a rinse. Can you tell me a little more about how you applied it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Z Buck McFate
    The 1:1 didn't hurt my scalp (though it did hurt like a motherf## when it ran down into my eye). It did stink, however.
    Yeah, you've got to be super careful with that. Vinegar can really damage your eyes. I've been really paranoid about that aspect of it.

    I read online that some people add a few drops of essential oil or lemon juice to reduce the smell, so if you up the vinegar again, that might be worth trying.

    I like all the ideas and experiences people are bouncing off each other in this thread.

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    I poured the baking soda straight from the box into my hair- lifting it up in parts, so that most of it went to my scalp. I probably used a 1/2 cup, but the only reason I used even that much is because I did it standing in the shower (to avoid getting the powder all over the bathroom) and I couldn't see how much I was putting on. I use a boar hair hairbrush right before I shampoo usually, it's what I used with the baking soda.

    Someone else mentioned also using one, earlier in the thread. They're supposed to help dislodge oils on the scalp, and I read somewhere it was a good idea to use before shampooing because it makes it easier for the shampoo to work. Anyway, the bristle's are pretty firm, so it did a good job of actually brushing through the baking soda.

    I'm almost certain I remember my grandmother, or someone's grandmother, telling me that people used to brush powder through their hair to make it feel cleaner- before it was convenient/easy to wash hair. That's what made me think maybe that's how the baking soda was supposed to be used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fidelia View Post
    Vinegar smell will very quickly evaporate. I've even used undilluted ACV now and then with no smell after and no problems. I've concluded though that baking soda is not for me and ACV will not do the trick without it. I might try WEN. I have longer hair and so I generally can wash it every other day or every third. My scalp would probably thank me if I went a little longer, but I like showering and feeling clean and if my hair is wet anyway, then I also would prefer to have it clean too! My main problem is that due to frizz, I have to use product of some sort in my hair and after two days I don't want to add more. Sometime I can get away with just spraying it with water and rescrunching, but sometimes it fuzzes up a bit. I haven't been able to bring myself to do the olive oil treatment for scalp yet as I just can't imagine how much effort it will take to get it back out of my hair.
    Yeah, the vinegar smell did go away once my hair was completely dry (it just took forever because my hair is so thick/long).

    I think what I like least about the baking soda is that it's hard to know when it's been washed out. With shampoo, there's a gratuitous squeaky clean feeling the moment it's been washed away, so I'm not left wondering if there's any left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by burymecloser View Post
    It looks and feels the same as when I use shampoo. Nothing is greasy or itchy or stringy. I think it looks perfectly clean without knocking my socks off, maybe a little dry or less shiny, though it's tough to tell -- I'm paying more attention to my hair than usual, looking for flaws. If I was doing something important where I needed to look particularly nice, at this point I would use shampoo. But day-to-day, it looks normal, clean, and people who know I'm trying it say they haven't noticed a difference. Have you tried the DermOrganic stuff yet?
    Ahh cool. Maybe I'll try the bicarb/ACV once and see what I think. I have long hair though. I haven't gotten the DermOrganic in the mail yet but will report back after I use it.

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    So, I've been doing this for about a month now. I still wash my hair with traditional shampoo about once a week. Regarding the baking soda and apple cider vinegar treatment, pluses and minuses.

    PLUS

    My hair is clean -- it's not dirty or stringy or greasy or itchy.

    My hair is noticeably less oily, and it does not have to be washed as frequently.

    I have dry scalp issues, and they seem to have decreased with this treatment.

    Baking soda and apple cider vinegar are less expensive than traditional shampoo and conditioner.



    MINUS

    What Tallulah warned about -- my hair gets dried out. It's not as vibrant as with shampoo. It's not the sort of thing you notice on a day-to-day basis, because my hair is clean. But if I'm doing something where I need to look particularly nice, or make a first impression, or where someone else will be touching my hair, I wash with shampoo on those days.

    This has become more problematic since I slightly upped the ratio of bicarb to water. It's been pleasant that the mixture has a little more texture to it, and I don't just feel like I'm pouring plain water over my hair, but it seems to be leaving my hair a bit coarse. If anyone else tries this method, my advice is to go easy on the baking soda.


    I also tried brushing powder through my hair once, but I wasn't thrilled with the results. It was annoying to get out and used a lot more than I normally would, without an obvious difference in my hair afterwards.

    Overall, I'm cautiously content with my current routine: shampoo once a week, powder/ACV the other days. My hair looks good longer after washing than when I used shampoo, and one traditional wash has it shining and radiant again if I need to impress. I am concerned about the dryness, which has increased recently, but for now I think it's probably more about the powder-to-water ratio than any lasting damage.


    Anyone else have interesting updates?

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    Quote Originally Posted by burymecloser View Post
    Anyone else have interesting updates?
    Yes. I love the DermOrganic! I highly recommend it.

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    Question - what kinds of styling products (in particular hairspray and gel) do you guys use? I have some water-soluble mousse and hair lotion that comes out with the conditioner wash, but I have read that silicone-based products require a sulfate of some sort to remove them.
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    I wear my hair slightly longer than I used to. It is rather thick and tends to be dry. When it is freshly washed (with normal shampoo) it is especially dry feeling, and gets bushy rather than hanging straight and close to my head as I prefer. I used to wash my hair every other day, but now I do it no more than once per week. It rarely feels oily in between, and if it gets sweaty, I just rinse/scrub it with water. On the days I do shampoo, I have to use both conditioner and then gel to restore some moisture and keep it tidy. I would like to get into some routine where my hair is consistently the same, without requiring significant products or effort. My current routine is satisfactory, but my hair still isn't the way I want it on the first day or two after shampooing. I have been following everyone's alternative hair care experiences with interest.
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