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    Quote Originally Posted by Noel View Post



    Change of perception.
    Help patients undergoing chemotherapy by inducing hunger or easing the pain of long term/life long diseases or illnesses.
    Greater appreciation for nature and the Arts.
    Talk about subjective.
    I'm going to have to agree with Stanley Kubrick on this one.
    He was rambling about drug use, and in that rant, he suggested that when everything is beautiful, nothing is beautiful.
    I find many kinds of drug users, and pot heads in particular, have absolutely no talent for critical analysis what-so-ever.
    I don't know if it's really "appreciating" the arts when you are in a short-term state of mind where everything becomes the same shade of gray...
    The human mind revolves around comparative values. Something has to be stupid for something to be smart. Wrong for right, ugly for beautiful.
    It seems that marijuana removes these vital boundaries.
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    Do you think it is addictive? Psychologically, yes - not physically
    Do you think it is safer than alcohol, tobacco, and narcotics? Less safe than tobacco, more than alcohol and narcotics
    Should it be legalized? yes
    Do you think it serves a legitimate purpose as a medicinal substance? yes
    Do you believe anyone has ever died from marijuana? no
    What do you believe are the short and long term side effects of its use? short-term: short-term memory loss, mild paranoia, lethargy, ... long term: mainly physical, similar risks than tobacco
    What benefits do you see in its use? relaxation
    Are the advertising campaigns worth the millions taxpayers spend to keep kids from trying it? no way
    What would you do if you found either your children or someone else's children using it? scold them, they're kids
    Have you ever tried it? If not, do you think you ever will? If you have, was the experience worth breaking the law? Yes, smoked it regularly for years in the evening.
    What personality type would be most likely to support the legalization of marijuana? xNxP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Talk about subjective.
    I'm going to have to agree with Stanley Kubrick on this one.
    He was rambling about drug use, and in that rant, he suggested that when everything is beautiful, nothing is beautiful.
    I agree with the bold part but,

    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    I find many kinds of drug users, and pot heads in particular, have absolutely no talent for critical analysis what-so-ever.
    I don't know if it's really "appreciating" the arts when you are in a short-term state of mind where everything becomes the same shade of gray...
    The human mind revolves around comparative values. Something has to be stupid for something to be smart. Wrong for right, ugly for beautiful.
    It seems that marijuana removes these vital boundaries.
    I disagree with this part completely. When one explores the arts, I believe we make comparative choices, as you stated. But, whilst quality is subjective, as one begins to define quality, it seems to become more objective/concrete in the sense. For example, lets use time. Why have the Iliad/Odyssey remained enduring canonical classical texts for hundreds of years and novels found at the grocery stores have been forgotten? Or why have the works of Bach, Beethoven, Chopin, Brahms, etc live on today whilst the hot new single from so and so is soon forgotten? Following from that, how can a drug user have less merit than a sober person over the quality of the Iliad/Odyssey or Bach? Though one's perception is changed, your still a part of reality.

    And also, seeing as you have never tried it (I hate to say it), but trust me, you would understand (blind faith, I know).

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    so, of course, I am going to dismiss that blind faith.

    As for the effect of drugs on arts... I can start by saying that we have all heard many a time the person lamenting at opinions they held while hazed-out on pot.
    In a way, it's like they didn't really believe it, but some other marijuana controlled persona did for the short time that it lasted.
    "clouded judgement" as they say. Kubrick was trying to define the point that an artist could make any piece of amateurish schlock, and someone on mind-altering drugs might consider it as beautiful as a masterpiece(an idea especially aggravating to an obsessive perfectionist like Kubrick).
    Matters are made worse by the fact that the person may recognize it as a piece of garbage once they are level-headed again.


    I also read about how the effects of marijuana are very similar to a certain stages of consciousness, when one has half-fallen asleep or half-woken up.
    It's because they create the same brain-wave patterns. I have been in that state of mind, and I could easily see how it might be similar to being stoned.
    In those states, I too have come up with the meaning of life, only to know a few hours later that it was complete nonsense.

    I might also suggest appreciating things without depending on a chemical for the effect...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    so, of course, I am going to dismiss that blind faith.

    As for the effect of drugs on arts... I can start by saying that we have all heard many a time the person lamenting at opinions they held while hazed-out on pot.
    In a way, it's like they didn't really believe it, but some other marijuana controlled persona did for the short time that it lasted.
    "clouded judgement" as they say. Kubrick was trying to define the point that an artist could make any piece of amateurish schlock, and someone on mind-altering drugs might consider it as beautiful as a masterpiece(an idea especially aggravating to an obsessive perfectionist like Kubrick).
    Matters are made worse by the fact that the person may recognize it as a piece of garbage once they are level-headed again.


    I also read about how the effects of marijuana are very similar to a certain stages of consciousness, when one has half-fallen asleep or half-woken up.
    It's because they create the same brain-wave patterns. I have been in that state of mind, and I could easily see how it might be similar to being stoned.
    In those states, I too have come up with the meaning of life, only to know a few hours later that it was complete nonsense.

    I might also suggest appreciating things without depending on a chemical for the effect...
    Fair enough.

    I completely agree with you in the bold, but as a clarification:

    THC is psychoactive, hence the change in perception. And a new perception may offer new insights. I hope that my statement(s) on "appreciation for the arts" didn't advocate a dependency on pot in order to appreciate things. But rather, one may appreciate already familiar things more so from their new perception and may provide new insights.

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    When I was in Guam I had a very traumatic incident occur that sent me to doctors and shrinks for therapy.

    The doctors gave me valium for the stress. It did nothing.
    I paid a hundred bucks for some sub-par joints and lit up. It was the only way I could get to sleep for almost 2 weeks. It was the first time I've used marijuana for medicinal purposes, though probably not the last. It really really helped me in that situation. That was in July. Before July I hadn't smoked in almost two years and I havent smoked since July.
    I have nothing against people that use it recreationaly. I used to as well. Now though I see the medicinal benefits of it far outweigh the happy high. If I am ever stressed out to the point of not sleeping again, it'll be the first thing I go looking for.

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    Also I think it's funny that everyone who has never tried it thinks it's dangerous and addictive. It is definitely neither.

    The smoke may be dangerous for your lungs but that is easily rectified by a grill and some butter. Fry it up and eat it down. I've found that ingested is way better than smoked anyway.

    I never judge something I haven't tried or something that hasn't killed a friend or associate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    I'm curious what the general opinions on this forum are about this hallucinogen.
    Firstmost, it is not a hallucinogen. An intoxicant, surely, but not a hallucinogen.

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    Do you think it is addictive?
    In certain individuals it may produce an experience judged positively enough to compel further use, but this is a function of set and setting, social factors, psychological makeup, limbic function, and so on, as opposed to an intrinsic quality of cannabis itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    Do you think it is safer than alcohol, tobacco, and narcotics?
    Safety of any drug is a function of its administration, quantity used, and metabolic and neurological properties.

    Based on that, I would say cannabis is safer than alcohol and safer than tobacco. "Narcotics" is a catch-all phrase that does not refer to a specific drug or class of drugs, so I cannot comment in regard to it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    Should it be legalized?
    Inasmuch as I value liberty and do not support the criminalization of consensual activity among and between human beings, I think it should be.

    If I also consider its use around the world over the last couple of millenia, and the social effects of that use, my decision is the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    Do you think it serves a legitimate purpose as a medicinal substance?
    Yes, but my thinking in this regard is opinion. It would be better to ask the chemotherapy and AIDS patients who have been able to eat and maintain body weight because of it, the glaucoma patients whose vision has been preserved because of it, and the infirm and ill who report their quality of life has been bettered through its use.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    Do you believe anyone has ever died from marijuana?
    From the direct consumption of cannabis itself? No.
    From perceptual changes that led to inaccurate judgement resulting in some form of accident? Yes.
    From its status of being underground as a result of it being classified as illegal, and the lawlessness that surrounds those things underground? Yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    What do you believe are the short and long term side effects of its use?
    Short Term: laughter, euphoria, relaxation, change of focus as it concerns thinking toward the creative and philosophical, increased appreciation of music, increased awareness of the senses, relief of menstrual cramps, reduced nausea, increase in appetite, slowing of speech and activity, tiredness and lethargy (with stale/oxidized cannabis), bloodshot eyes, dry mouth, interruption of linear memory, alteration of sense and awareness of time, coughing (when smoked), impairment of short-term memory, anxiety, sense of tension, increase in heart rate, headache, paranoia, clumsiness.

    Long-Term: impairment of memory due to changes in the hippocampus, lowering of stress/anxiety threshold, possible exacerbation of asthma, change in timbre of laugh.

    And yea, these were some combination of Erowid notes and my own experience.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    What benefits do you see in its use?
    In that one may find it pleasurable, the benefit would be a pleasurable experience. Beyond that, I do not know.

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    Are the advertising campaigns worth the millions taxpayers spend to keep kids from trying it?
    Given the rate of use among youth, I would say the return on investment has been poor, and so I think it has not been worth it.

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    What would you do if you found either your children or someone else's children using it?
    I would discuss it with them and share of my experience of having been a long-term cannabis smoker, and why I started and why I stopped.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    Have you ever tried it?
    Yes, I was a long-term user of it.

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    Was the experience worth breaking the law?
    In as much as I did so, I suppose the answer is yes.

    That said, I also engaged in a criminal act by being fellated in years past when it was illegal where I lived.

    I do not hold much value for law that punishes consensual behavior.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    What personality type would be most likely to support the legalization of marijuana?
    Libertarian.


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    Quote Originally Posted by findthejake View Post
    Also I think it's funny that everyone who has never tried it thinks it's dangerous and addictive. It is definitely neither.
    Not everyone... THC is a psychoactive drug, so there is an element of addiction to it, but regardless, it is not dangerous (smoking it is foolish, as you say) and has a very low potential for addiction.

    There is a tendency to users to justify their actions more than the opposite - I have no particular problem with marijuana and I consider safer than... say... cold medicine. Which I have been living on for the last week. I don't use it because I don't think it is wise; however I don't believe it is dangerous and I think the active ingredients can help people out in rare cases (relative to alternative medications).

    Nor does others using it make it wise. Fifty years ago smoking was common - it was stupid then too.

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    I feel that I have to do drugs now -- it's the only way I'll be able to fit in with the people that I'm attracted to.

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