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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingfisher View Post
    your doctor is trained to make a medical diagnosis, not a psychological one. it is in their nature to look for a medical solution. doctors look at the physical body, psychatrists look at the mind. that is a gross generalization, but you know what i mean.

    however, for something like depression, your doctor should have recomended you see a psychatrist.

    by the way, a lot of good doctors are overbooked because there is a shortage of doctors.
    Yeah, I know. My dad is a shrink. In his view, most people are better off with both a psychiatrist and psychologist, where both forms are integrated.

    I also agree that he should have. It's become quite common for primary care physicians to treat their patients for things a psychiatrist would know how to deal with more efficiently and accurately.

    BTW, I'm not saying that doctor's are evil, and I recognize their value to society. I've just been having a bad time lately. So any doctor's please don't take offense.

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    I've got chronic vertigo and fatigue. Depending on the medical professional's speciality at the moment, that's what I get dx with. It's been 15 years of this. It's really frustrating. for all you go through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    I've got chronic vertigo and fatigue. Depending on the medical professional's speciality at the moment, that's what I get dx with. It's been 15 years of this. It's really frustrating. for all you go through.
    Aww, thanks for the hugs, heart (aptly named) and right back at you, cause 15 years is a long time.

    I'm wondering. Do people sometimes refuse to acknowledge that you suffer from this? The thing I hear most from people is "just get over it" or something like that. Just curious.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Modern Nomad View Post
    Fortunately for her, she had me sign something that said in small print, I had to pay for everything if the dental insurance didn't pay. So I paid 1000 dollars cash for a fukkin teeth cleaning. Ridiculous
    Bloody hell!!! And I thought the $90 I get charged here for teeth cleaning (by excellent dentist) was a rip-off. I suppose there are some advantages to being from a developing country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mo View Post
    Bloody hell!!! And I thought the $90 I get charged here for teeth cleaning (by excellent dentist) was a rip-off. I suppose there are some advantages to being from a developing country.
    Insurance is a funny thing too. Mine covers for disability, but only up to about 1/3 of my actual income.
    So even though they covered 100% for surgery, and payed me for time off, I still ended up losing $2500.


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    I had major depression, but I didn't know this when I started talking with my first psychologist. Apparently she didn't know, either. When I told her about the troubles I was having with my family, she suddenly gets this notion that I should have my father come in as soon as possible and talk with him about everything I've bottled up inside. Which is a good thing to do, but not so suddenly when you aren't emotionally prepared. So that scared the shit out of me. She constantly invalidated my feelings, giving me advice like, "Well, just suck it up and go get a job!" Or, "Write a list of all the chores you have to do!" and crap like that. And if you've ever experienced depression, advice like that is... not good. Moreover, she literally acted hurt when I told her I didn't think any of her advise would help in the longterm, so I felt as if I had to comfort and assure her. I would always walk out of her office in tears because she continually brought up horrible memories and topics without any therapy or motive. It was like ripping open a wound over and over again.

    But yeah, she charged a lot and she was a crappy psychologist. Now I'm seeing a psychologist at my university for free, and he's amazing.
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    Most doctors are like most people. Full of crap.

    Do your own research. Don't get mystified by the white lab coats. Many doctors stop learning as soon as they get out of medical school.

    Doctor workflow:

    1. Inflammation? -> prescribe liquids and anti-inflammatory drugs, maybe steroids.
    2. Viral infection? -> prescribe rest and liquids
    3. Bacterial infection? -> prescribe antibiotics, either localized, topical, or general.
    4. Injury? -> repair injury with cast, braces, and / or stitches.
    5. General pain? -> prescribe pain killers to the ninny.
    6. Anything crazy? -> refer to a specialist.
    "Create like a god, command like a king, work like a slave."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travo7 View Post
    I also left there very pissed at my regular doctor who just basically made money off my ass. That and I'm pissed that I let him screw me over for that long.
    Yeah, lots of doctors are pure scum who hear "ka-ching!" every time you walk through their doors (yay insurance money!) and will tell you whatever it takes to keep you doing just that, including unnecessary and expensive tests and treatments that you don't need or that won't help. I learned this after a stress fracture years ago and have since had the opportunity to notice it several times over.
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    I agree with KingFisher. Most doctors do the best they can. Please keep in mind that people expect, no, DEMAND cures for their ailments when they walk in the door. Imagine being under that type of pressure? I don't think they're so bad. I see them as helpers in our society more than anything and I think they do a great service for us.

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    physicians have made thier owns beds.

    About fifteen years ago they tightened up standards in med schools to limit the number of drs they admitted as they forecast incorrectly what they would need in the future.

    Drs in america make five times the mdeian income where drs in briatian make only 3 times. Any dr making less than 100K a year feels cheated and they all feel really sorry for those poor pedistricians who only make 90K or so a year. Med students are now flocking towards specialities like dermatology and gasteroentology where they are paid by the procedure rather than the visit.

    A typical visit by your internist/GP pays about 50 to 70, where a mole removal pays 300 as outpatient surgery. your internist /GP actually isnt a money grubbing monstor. Likely he is under immense pressure from the clinic he works with to book as many patients as possible to generate as much revenue as possible by his bosses given the low pay per visit. docs who choose to go into GP/internal med are actually awesome and love thier patients but are severely burnt out and overworked.

    Also very quickly there is a dramatic decline in the number of GP/internists as 1) there are not enough drs and 2) the med students choose specialities instead meaning you wait even longer and get even less time with these guys.

    also google "medical narcissim". Also keep in mind the complexity of the problems at hand. In the short time span you are there, they can treat easy stuff, but the more complex the problem the worse they screw it up. Or you get stuck in cycles of endless referrals. They have no time to think...

    Med school is highly selective for NTs. So you take in a bunch of folks who should work in a lab or in front of a computer then stick them in front of 40 patients a day complaining. sounds like a plan to me...

    DO NOT trust them. Do your research and call them on it.

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