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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    I am curious, how long does it take for depression to lift? I've actively been trying to lift my depression now for over a year (though I think I have had dysthymina for most of my life).

    I have been on various doses of Lexapro, then on various doses of Effexor XR. They help for a while, but then seem to do absolutely nothing after a while, and I go back to feeling like most of the world has written me off as a looser (it takes constant observation, and reality checking to fight these thoughts).

    Anyone actually get better with pills and therapy? I know "relief" is 70%-90% perecent, but I find this "relief" to be incredibly temporary.
    I have been fighting depression for 8rys now, various anti depressants that only give temporary relief before yet again I need to talk about increasing the dose. Loads of counselling through the years, then about 6 months of being ok followed by a great big sinking again.

    I had a brief psychotherapy thing last year before quitting it, one because they diagnosed me and I didn't like the diagnosis, and two because they said that going further along the route of mental health help woud impact badly on my alternative career plans, so I just quit it. Maybe if I hadn't quit it I wouldn't be sinking yet again, and considering drugs to get by.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sahara View Post
    I have been fighting depression for 8rys now, various anti depressants that only give temporary relief before yet again I need to talk about increasing the dose. Loads of counselling through the years, then about 6 months of being ok followed by a great big sinking again.
    This sounds similar to my normal cycle before I decided to seek help. Each time I sank, it seemmed to be deeper and longer lasting. So I finally decided this was having way too detrimental an effect on me.


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    IDK, I'm not an expert or anything, but it sounds like you have lots of the "automatic thinking" that cognitive therapy is good for. (Although it also sounds like maybe you've done cognitive therapy before from how you describe fighting your automatic thoughts.)
    Cognitive-Behavioral Therapy is what I was recommended. Along with trying to place a check on my automatic thoughts, I also learned breathing techniques, and methods to "place" feelings somewhere in my body to trying to modify them. Also, trying to get more exersize and being more social.

    I am trying to beat this thing by any means possible. But quite frankly, this feels like it is going to continue to be a life-long struggle. Maybe I at least reduced how bad things would have become (an optimistic spin, you can't prove otherwise )

    My main issue with this desputing-my-thinking technique, is that it feels like I am now doing to myself the very thing that upset me when other people did it to me. I feel that I would be a lot less frustrated if people listened to my thoughts and at least entertained their validity, instead of outright dismissing them. It happens from time to time, but I wish I could distiguish what it is that separates the times people listen vs. times they don't.

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    Choosing to take mood altering drugs is a tough call, but taking an extreme position of never taking medication has its drawbacks as well. People who refuse to take aspirin for a headache or any medicated help at all can be proud of it, but very often the people around them have to take up the slack for their misery. I take medication because it is something "i" can do to solve a problem. More than that, it is recommended by individuals who have devoted their entire lives, time, and energy to understanding the biological humans system (i.e. physicians). In a word, i do trust doctors over personal chit-chat. Even though the medical field has its flaws with the controlling pharmaceutical companies, a doctor's advice is a safer bet than a buddy who doesn't like the idea of taking an aspirin.
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    Are you still off the Zoloft?
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    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post
    Choosing to take mood altering drugs is a tough call, but taking an extreme position of never taking medication has its drawbacks as well. People who refuse to take aspirin for a headache or any medicated help at all can be proud of it, but very often the people around them have to take up the slack for their misery. I take medication because it is something "i" can do to solve a problem. More than that, it is recommended by individuals who have devoted their entire lives, time, and energy to understanding the biological humans system (i.e. physicians). In a word, i do trust doctors over personal chit-chat. Even though the medical field has its flaws with the controlling pharmaceutical companies, a doctor's advice is a safer bet than a buddy who doesn't like the idea of taking an aspirin.
    I'm one of those... no aspirins, no drugs, no nothing unless it is really needed. So a week or so ago I trapped a nerve in my back, and gave in and took some strong painkillers (I was unable to walk!) but otherwise I don't touch a thing and have never taken mood altering drugs.

    I wonder sometimes if people do have to take up the slack.. i definitely have Seasonally Affected Disorder, so there are 2 or 3 days a year when I am seriously depressed (dark, cloudy short days in Winter).

    My main concerns in avoiding treatment are as follows :

    1. I'd rather be "me" and continue being me even if it hurts sometimes. I don't like the idea of being submerged beneath a haze or changed attitude because someone else says it is better for me.

    2. I'm an NP! NPs carry many "symptoms" that are diagnosed as ill-health by the SJ medical community. Sorry, but it's true....

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    I don't remember having withdrawl from zoloft, but I could have been weened and don't remember that either. I don't remember much during the time I was on zoloft.

    Also I found this article on the Scientific America website Happy Days: Unraveling the Mystery of How Antidepressants Work: Scientific American


    Also hope your feeling better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff View Post
    I'm an NP! NPs carry many "symptoms" that are diagnosed as ill-health by the SJ medical community. Sorry, but it's true....

    -Geoff
    You got it there. I'm on som pills. I'm sick of being very fat (put on lots of weight) and in a haze. Surely there is an alternative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wyrdsister View Post
    Are you still off the Zoloft?
    Still working my way off. I'm taking half a pill and tried to quit, but started getting dizzy and needed to drive long distance sometimes, so am back on a reduced amount.

    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    I don't remember having withdrawl from zoloft, but I could have been weened and don't remember that either. I don't remember much during the time I was on zoloft.

    Also I found this article on the Scientific America website Happy Days: Unraveling the Mystery of How Antidepressants Work: Scientific American


    Also hope your feeling better.
    Thank you for your post - informative and kind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post
    Still working my way off. I'm taking half a pill and tried to quit, but started getting dizzy and needed to drive long distance sometimes, so am back on a reduced amount.


    Thank you for your post - informative and kind.
    Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff View Post
    Sometimes I feel like an outsider on the web, because I have never taken anything like this. Not even considered it, never needed anything diagnosed or prescribed. I can't imagine being on a zoloft-like drug.

    When I was recovering in hospital from a serious operation I even refused the Morphine because I preferred the pain to having my mood changed.

    Am I the odd one out here?

    -Geoff
    Yes, is there a strong correlation between people who struggle with depression and those likely to socialize on message boards? I was not unaware of the prevalence of depression in the general population, but the ratios here seem awfully high.

    I've never taken any anti-depressants. A while ago I researched depression to see what exactly would constitute clinical depression, because from talking to a friend's experience I was wondering about two periods in my past and whether or not I was just "down" or actually depressed.
    One of the times was possibly due to a serious lack of socialization when I was 18 (sometimes I go 6 weeks without contacting friends and it's no big deal because I don't live alone, but the year I was 18 was outright unhealthy for a lack of social contact).
    The time I think I was actually depressed was 14-16; I was dealing with some moderately serious personal issues, was certainly an insomniac (but I didn't tell anyone because when I told my mother, she didn't believe that it took me 5 hours a night to fall asleep and I'd wake up an hour before my alarm) and just had a really crappy few years. Plus the whole adolescent-brain-reorganization going on during this time makes me pretty certain I was depressed. I only wonder b/c I could fake being happy soo well around friends at school. I just stayed in my bedroom the whole time at home, though. Can you give off the impression that everything is fine when you're depressed, or is it impossible with true depression?
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    *Faith is the art of holding on to things your reason once accepted, despite your changing moods.
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