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    Quote Originally Posted by dga View Post

    It's not that anyone needs drugs to create
    Okay. Sounds like we're on the same page then.

    The way you worded it sounded like the drug use was what we needed to thank for the people's creativity.
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    In my own experience, drugs were fun. I guess having fun is good for your health in a way. Of course, I quit doing them years ago because I think there are far more negatives than positives. I've also watched lives be ruined and completely ended by them.
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    No one can reasonably argue the ethical good or bad of a blanket category of "drugs".
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    In my opinion bad. But it has to do with what I find important and not important. For me, keeping a clear head is most important.

    Plus, I've done a lot of different drugs when I was younger and that didn't help me one bit. So why bother.
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    Allow me to create an antithesis to this thread's original aim: I'll roughly dissect the generalized group of "psychoactive drugs" into a separated list, where I will place judgments on their moral values towards society and individual humans (historically and potentially).

    Opiates - good when controlled for medicinal use, terrible in almost every other case otherwise.

    Alcohol - good when in very moderate amounts, terrible when it's the only societally-endorsed recreational drug.

    Marijuana - good in moderate amounts to spur creative and progressive thinking, slightly bad when users are oppressed.

    Psychedelics - very good for personal growth and therapy, bad when used incorrectly

    Amphetamines - good if you want your kids to become drones and your jet fighter pilots to be sharp, pretty terrible otherwise

    Cocaine - same as opiates.

    Dissociatives - great for anesthesia and a strange sense of psychedelia, but slightly addictive

    Tobacco - not many positives

    Medicinal herbs - very nice

    Nootropics - great brain stimulants, especially if a plant extract


    Overall most of the negatives from "drugs" come about due to a few overarching themes: addiction, societal oppression, and misuse. Personally, I believe that if society came to a point where it could embrace psychoactives for what they are and what they can provide, then the risks can be minimized in every respect. Controlling certain drugs, such as unnaturally refined opiates, amphetamines and cocaine, should be a concern, but also the allowance of psychoactive use recreationally and spiritually should certainly be allowed for the general population. I truly believe that the rampant chaos caused by alcohol is a result of oppressing many safe avenues of psychoactive drug use while allowing but one traditional, yet potentially deadly and chaotic form to be used.
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    why not "Marijuana - good when controlled for medicinal use" ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by phthalocyanine View Post
    why not "Marijuana - good when controlled for medicinal use" ?
    Oops, good point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Decline View Post
    No one can reasonably argue the ethical good or bad of a blanket category of "drugs".
    Agreed. It matters A LOT which drugs we're talking about and how they're used by whom.

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    Drugs are not evil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    If it wasn't for modern medicine, we'd all be dead by the age of 40.

    Just on that note alone.. drugs FTW.
    Actually this is not true. What truly lowered life expectancy, in the past, was the fact that many people died as early infants/children. However, if you made it past 30, the likely age of death was around 70.
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