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    Default Do you Fast and/or Cleanse?

    I recently tried a one week cleanse and on the third day I started to pass out, thought my glycogen stores were depleted, that my brain was feeding off of vital tissue and dying, so I called 911. I probably overreacted a little, but, you just watch(!), someday my paranoia will prove to be useful.

    Anyway, a few days after that I played tennis with some of the vegans from the Sac vegan group, one of whom is a raw foodist (I have recently been attempting (and failing at) raw foodism) and asked him about his cleansing practices (?). When I mentioned losing consciousness, he nonchalantly replied, "Oh, yeah, I pass out all the time when I fast. I go with it, let myself pass out, and wake up later." I find that to be a little unsettling... and I'm sure there is a way to "cleanse yourself" without shorting your brain on glucose.

    So, my questions.

    Do you fast or cleanse (regularly, for religious purposes, randomly, even for blood tests, at any time/for any reason)?

    What do you consume when you cleanse (some people only consume liquids, etc.)?

    Have you completed any sort of cleanse that did not compromise your consciousness?

    Do you think that there are benefits to cleansing/fasting?

    Do you notice any changes in your thinking (do you find that you are more clearheaded, etc.) when you fast/cleanse?

    When I started raw foodism, I didn't really see any point in cleansing, but most foods make me feel sick, so when someone suggested I try a cleanse... I went for it. I doubt I will try a strict fast again, but I'd like to know if anyone has a safer cleanse that has worked well for them because constantly feeling nauseated isn't much fun either.

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    My body doesn't seem to appreciate food, so I don't really eat. I'm also going through sort of a destructive, this life thing is taking forever phase. But there was a time...

    I brought up at one point my digestive issues with a freind how's a nutritionist. She practices regular cleaning and stresses a natural foods diet. She also looks even younger and more beautiful than she did when we were in high school. When I stuck to her dietary suggestions, I felt amazing and looked years younger myself.

    This is what she suggested as I began:

    Here is a quick summary of the pro-biotic options I discussed with you today. Try one or several and keep doing it for several weeks. If you can, try to include living foods (like raw sauerkraut or properly prepared miso soup) into your diet permanently.

    1) Raw, fermented pickles: "Bubbies" brand (found at Whole Foods and the Wedge or most co-ops for sure).

    2) Miso, either used raw as a condiment on food (you can make a nice dressing with raw miso, lemon juice, a little olive oil and natural mustard-not yellow is what I mean). I recommend having a cup of miso soup, three times a day. Make hot water (just hot to the touch), start with a tsp. of miso and add more to taste, lemon juice, ginger, garlic, green onion or naturally brewed tamari or shoyu (soy sauce) are a nice addition. Just make sure the water is not too hot.

    3) Goat yogurt. Some people who are lactose intolerant can tolerate goat or sheep milk, especially when it is cultured as is yogurt. Just a thought if you want to try it just have a spoonfull a couple times a day.

    4) Capsule probiotics- you can find these at a natural foods store or Whole Foods. They should be in a cooler case as they need to be kept cold to stay fresh.

    As far as the diet...try to eat more vegetables and fruits, less meat, some grains or grain porridge (like soft cooked brown or white rice, oatmeal, etc)...stay away from raw salads for a few days. Soups, and easy to digest foods are good. Drink fasting tea or "detox" tea which you can find also at WF or a health store.

    Try substituting one meal a day with tea or the master cleanse drink...or simply the fasting or detox tea. I personally would not suggest the Master Cleanse for you right now...maybe down the road if you are serious about detoxing...there are many ways to detox. Raw cleanses, brown rice fasts, etc...but you may want to start more gently than the Master Cleanse. For more info on that though, here are some links...

    The Master Cleanse

    Master Cleanse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and this guy, we do his cleanse and have read his books...you may find some interesting tidbits on this website to begin with..

    cleanse.net


    The suggestions above are probably a good start. For me, I found the pro-biotics made for a major improvement in digestion, which seemed to be the source of my issues. Once my digestive functions were in line, a mostly vegetarian diet kept me in top shape.

    Thanks for bringing the topic back to my mind. Makes me think about my health again.

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    Once. Bad idea.

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    ^ thanks for your response, surly. i wonder why she stresses no raw salads- that's interesting. it looks like a cleanse i'd be willing to try... very raw/vegan friendly.

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    No.

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    No, I think it's misguided and unwise. Maybe there's someone here who's into that, though.
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    I'm rewriting this post more coherently. I fast occasionally, when my body needs it. Fasts can be healthy and beneficial, but they can also be very harmful.

    - One week is way too long to fast. Anything more than about 48 hours does more harm than good.
    - Listen to your body! I cannot stress this enough. If your body says it's time to stop, stop. A fast should not be a punishment, or a test of endurance.
    - Drink juice and tea, and chew on stuff like ginger root.
    - Transition into the fast gradually. I like to make my last meal a light salad, or soup.
    - Wikipedia quote on transitioning out: "This usually involves drinking "full strength" juices for a day or two, while slowly adding in soups, then fruit, vegetables and nuts before resuming a regular diet."

    I wouldn't recommend a one-week fast for anyone; it's too long. I also wouldn't recommend fasting for a vegan; their low-energy diet is already clean, and stopping it outright could be dangerous.

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    I've fasted once before for the general 'detox' reasons. I was having trouble where anytime I ate a meal I felt like crap, and I'm still not 100% sure what brought that on but I decided to fast for a few days. The exception is that I did have *one* small can of low-sodium V8 each day. This was during the summer.

    After the 2nd day or so I did start to feel weak at times, but I never actually fainted--just felt lightheaded and weak. One interesting effect was during my drive to work, I was driving in 80-degree weather with my windows *up* and no A/C, clear skies, and I felt fine. No sweating. Normally I have the A/C cranked up like crazy in those conditions. It was kinda cool.
    When I broke the fast I couldn't eat much, which I thought was a pleasant surprise. Normally I have a voracious appetite and not nearly the calorie expenditure to justify it. I felt a lot better afterwards when I ate.
    Come to think of it, I actually feel like I could use another one of those 3-day fasts. Maybe when it's warmer out...


    I did tell my doctor about it afterwards and he said he didn't recommend doing that, at least not for weight loss. He said the body tends to shift itself so it takes on weight easier once you complete the fast and start eating again. I get that; in future instances I will probably ramp up my eating gradually using my current dietary guidelines in proportion (currently following a dietary plan laid out by my dietitian so I know the proportion of grains/milk/protein/veggies/fruit to eat each day) and include some light exercise in the mix to ramp up my metabolism.
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    No. Given my metabolism, relatively low weight to begin with, and being prone to feeling lightheaded, it would be a bad idea. Plus I fail to see much purpose in it.
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    Hell no. I love eating way too much. Perhaps, unless there's a medical reason of some sort I think it's a pretty stupid idea. And by stupid I mean dangerous. I mean, what's the point anyway?

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