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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Yeah, but since it's based on the past, it won't necessarily cause you to "aim lower" in the future.

    And when one is modest about their abilities, they are usually communicating their modesty to someone else, they could still personally believe their abilities have the chance of being better than their modest estimation and improving in the future.
    So modesty hides ones own abilities from others?

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    Quote Originally Posted by disregard View Post
    Yeah, I'm going to have to hand it to Grayscale.

    Nice post, man.
    i know everything


    </arrogance>


    then again, someone could know that appearing arrogant causes an unfavorable image of themselves, but they are confident enough that they don't care what others think



    this is an interesting topic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by disregard View Post
    I disagree. I think humility is honest.

    In fact, I think we've just discovered the difference between humility and modesty.
    I've always viewed them as being the same. I suppose they do tend to overlap quite a bit.

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    Modesty downplays one's importance in favor of harmony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by disregard View Post
    I disagree. I think humility is honest.

    In fact, I think we've just discovered the difference between humility and modesty.
    Yeah. I think we have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    So modesty hides ones own abilities from others?
    It can.

    An example would be someone who is a very good signer and knows it saying "Oh, I'm really not that good" and in response s/he is told "Oh, stop being so modest".

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    It can.

    An example would be someone who is a very good signer and knows it saying "Oh, I'm really not that good" and in response s/he is told "Oh, stop being so modest".
    OK. I see that now.

    Are humility, confidence, and modesty all virtues?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    OK. I see that now.

    Are humility, confidence, and modesty all virtues?

    motivations can be virtuous, i would argue that actions cannot

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    If you think they are.

    Aren't virtues subjective?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grayscale View Post
    motivations can be virtuous, i would argue that actions cannot
    Aren't humility, confidence, and modesty closer to being motivations, than actions?

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