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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    I like this definition of humility: modest opinion or estimate of one's own importance, rank, etc.


    Sometimes, humility might be connected with - correctly or not - submission.
    Well modesty and humilty are synonyms (almost). Isn't a modest estimation an underestimate?

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    What is confidence? What separates it from arrogance?

    confidence is still while arrogance is more turbulent

    What is humility? What seperates it from low self-esteem?

    humility is more universal in scope than low self esteem
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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    So is it possible to be humble and have low self-esteem?

    or be confident and arrogant?
    I think you mean, for that second part, arrogant and have high self esteem.

    I think it's possible. Certainly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    Isn't a modest estimation an underestimate?
    Not necessarily I don't think, but it favors underestimation over overestimation.

    Estimation closer to the lower end compared the higher end of what you think might be true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Not necessarily I don't think, but it favors underestimation over overestimation.

    Estimation closer to the lower end compared the higher end of what you think might be true.
    Would that not prompt us to aim lower than we would or could otherwise?

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    An example of a person that has low self-esteem and lacks humility would be a passive aggressive person, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    What is confidence? What separates it from arrogance?

    What is humility? What seperates it from low self-esteem?

    How does one cultivate confidence and humility while curbing arrogance and problems with low self-esteem?
    two are a part of balance, the other two are blind

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    confidence is still while arrogance is more turbulent

    humility is more universal in scope than low self esteem
    Please elaborate on both points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grayscale View Post
    two are a part of balance, the other two are blind
    Please eloborate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    Would that not prompt us to aim lower than we would or could otherwise?
    Depends if you're talking about a modest estimation of what you can accomplish or do in the future compared to estimating something that already happened or doesn't have anything directly to do with you.

    Like estimating how high of an income you should aim for compared to estimating the price of a coffee maker on The Price Is Right.

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