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    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    yeah... when I get told to stick to the subject at hand it often hurts actually cos I thought I WAS!!! what I said was, in my mind, deeply connected and relevant to the subject at hand. Of course I can understand if I've made a big leap that it might not be immediately apparent as to HOW, but I'd like it if people would at least hear me out a bit more whilst I talk my way through to connecting it to the dot they're currently on... it's not easy for me to do that, so it's annoying when I'm trying my best to do it and I just get told I'm rambling... ha, can't win...
    YEAH!!!!!!!!! Doesn't it freaking piss you off when someone says, "Stick to the point," and you're like, "DUDE, I AM sticking to the point." And they say, "WTF?!?! You're totally not!!!" And you're like, "WTF is YOUR problem that YOU can't see what is right in front of your face?!!??!" And they're like, "WELL SHIT FIRE!!!!!! You could have made your point in two sentences. So why the hell do you have to blither on for five minutes, giving me this detail and that analysis, and the other background when no one gives a shit?!?!?! I've lost interest in the first minute." And I say, "Well SHIT FIRE, if you understood what the hell I am trying to tell you and would LISTEN for a freaking change, then MAYBE you would *get it*! DUMBASS!!!!!!"

    Yeah. Uh. Right.

    My point is: I agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    yeah... when I get told to stick to the subject at hand it often hurts actually cos I thought I WAS!!! what I said was, in my mind, deeply connected and relevant to the subject at hand. Of course I can understand if I've made a big leap that it might not be immediately apparent as to HOW, but I'd like it if people would at least hear me out a bit more whilst I talk my way through to connecting it to the dot they're currently on... it's not easy for me to do that, so it's annoying when I'm trying my best to do it and I just get told I'm rambling... ha, can't win...

    as to trust... it's more fear really, and maybe yeah, fear can denote a lack of trust but when experience in the past is bad it's pretty hard to overcome the fear, no matter how you might intellectually know it to be irrational...
    Well, as to the first - that's the preference gap. Small leaps are comfortable to Ss, and you take large ones. I imagine that you take very large ones, as a product of intelligence and nature.

    The 2nd - I understand, but that doesn't really change the situation. I can understand why they didn't, and they can understand why I think they should of, but it doesn't change that they don't and I don't like it

    Sometimes it is more about preference, sometimes more about trust... and sometimes both equally. Meaning, it can be complex - interactions with people normally are

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    This thread is full of Ns using way too many words to say how much they hate people who use too many words.
    I don't wanna!

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    Quote Originally Posted by booyalab View Post
    This thread is full of Ns using way too many words to say how much they hate people who use too many words.
    Well, I personally love saying too many words to say why I love using too many words. In my defense: I'm consistent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by booyalab View Post
    This thread is full of Ns using way too many words to say how much they hate people who use too many words.
    It isn't the volume, it's the scope. Anyone talking shop can talk and talk. It is about what we believe 'shop' to be. N shop talk sounds like a lot of talk about nothing to Ss. And S shop talk sounds like a lot of talk about nothing to Ns.

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    ...and anyway I thought it was more about S's complaining that N's use too many words whilst N's explain why they do! lol

    PT yeah I can understand the frustration that occurs when 'the gap' is encountered. Frustration's cool with me but when people actually get ANGRY, it sorta irritates me a bit because it's like they're judging me. Like they're not realizing that if people don't trust then it's not usually because they don't want to but that some kind of fear is holding them back from doing so, and to overcome that fear, support is needed... to get angry with me and judge me only adds to the fear really...

    Not that you've done that at all, just saying, y'know... hahah... GENERALLY
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    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    ...and anyway I thought it was more about S's complaining that N's use too many words whilst N's explain why they do! lol
    Well, some people think I'm still an N, so you know... plays at many levels

    Not that you've done that at all, just saying, y'know... hahah... GENERALLY
    Generally I get along with S and Ns, if we have common interests, too. But there are times when it also feels like they are just probbing me. Happened recently with an ENFP that didn't want to say that she dislikes IQ tests - given that I don't really care about IQ, but was talking about the influences on the (her) medical field and various levels of education, she took it to mean that I was a big believer in IQ. Instead of stating her POV, she just kept asking questions, as if to hope that I would mention a weakness. Which of course, I eventually did, and she pounced on, and I suddenly realised the intent.

    I didn't get angry, but it is irritating. I could of spent the same time talking about the Flynn effect or something similar to get her perspective.

    It is the lack of communication that is irritating.

    The whole anger thing is just a reaction to the differences, IMO. Both sides need to be understanding and try... but keep in mind, if you start talking to someone, they tend to feel an obligation to respond. It is as frustrating for them as it would be for you being 'right' over and over, yet not listened to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    You and your Ti-driven tirelessly tidy, meticulous attempts to tinker out the tiniest of details into tenuous tissues of "coherent", titanic meaning can render the rest of us in somewhat of a tizzy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colors View Post
    I like this board, but sometimes Ns can be very annoying about getting to the point too. They ask really vague questions when they want to know about solutions to very specific problems. For example, an opening post might ask about why ESFPs are flighty, but a few posts later the real question would turn out to be "How do I get this ESFP to pay attention to me?". (An exaggeration, but common phenomenon.)
    In corollary to this, I think S's are not that good at taking hints.

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