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    I love my sleep... I have to have 8 hours a night. But it takes me FOREVER to get there. I have to have some ambient noise, such as fans, but TV or music will just keep me up. I have to plan ahead at least for a couple of hours each night.

    And if I'm worked up over something? Well, I can just forget about getting more than a couple of hours sleep that night...

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    If I didn't have to worry about it every day, I'd sleep between 12 and 16 hours. This of course would be because I'd finally have time to do all my thinking instead of it infecting my sleep time!!! :steam:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Members Only View Post
    Do any other N's, have an innate ability to be completely UNable to sleep, while simultaneously being able to sleep for days on end?
    Yes. Story of my life until the last few years.

    I use to forget to eat and didn't exercise. I realized I functioned better when I ate everyday and exercised a few times a week. My sleep and energy levels overall, became more stable. I still have insomnia sometimes when I'm thinking too much or have a project to complete. Otherwise, I'm good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Members Only View Post
    Do any other N's, have an innate ability to be completely UNable to sleep, while simultaneously being able to sleep for days on end?

    I find it nearly impossible to shut my mind off to go to sleep, but when it is shut off, it is OFF. I then hate getting up again unless I have had a very lengthy sleep (At least 8 hours).

    I've been thinking, could this possibly be an N trait? The S's in my life all seem able too:

    1) Go to sleep faster.

    2) Get up easier with less sleep. In fact, in general they appear to need less sleep than me to function effectively.

    As N's (Especially IN's) live more in their heads compared with S's, does this in the long run, take a tole on how much we need to recharge with sleep?

    EDIT: My INTP friend also suffers from this, which made me wonder about its causes. In MBTI terms anyhow.
    I usually get to sleep pretty fast (<1 min) unless I've got something on my mind or am expecting to have trouble or am forcing myself to sleep in preparation for the next day. I also wake up right away. *shrug*

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    I usually spend 30-45 minutes thinking on a good night before I actually fall asleep. Lately it's taken 1-2 hours to actually sleep and quiet my mind. I find when I'm able to control my thoughts enough to where I can daydream while lying there, my mind naturally meshes the stage 1 sleep images with the daydream and I start to fall asleep.

    I know I have a terrible time sleeping when there's a light on. Figured that out my sophmore year of college with a roommate who would leave the light on in the room all night. Would annoy me to no end, because I just couldn't make my mind rest will all those little sounds she'd make in addition to the light. Eventually, I started trying to hypnotise myself into sleeping. As in, sitting there thinking, "I'm relaxed. Every muscle is relaxed. I cannot move I am so relaxed. Now I'm tired. My thoughts are sluggish. I'm falling asleep....and so on..." It helped because it made me focus more on relaxing and less on how much I wished I could bash my roommate's lamp.
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    Like Jeff, I'm usually okay once I get to sleep and I sleep soundly, but getting to sleep is the hard part. Right now a very small dose of melatonin and an audiobook via headphones seem to do the trick.
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    I don't try to keep myself from thinking in order to fall asleep, but I'll think about whatever and at the same time make an effort to try and "see" with my eyes closed, it's kind of like looking at the back of your eyelids. I will see soft colors and vague shapes floating by.

    I will feel myself drifting and will all of the sudden see realistic imagery that usually has something to do with what I was thinking about, this might happen a couple times, then I drift off for the night, or at least a few hours. It works for me. And smoking a little weed helps too, I read it increases or does something with melatonin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    Heh. Are they SJ's maybe? I have loads of trouble getting to sleep (and waking up), so does my little brother and my son (all SPs.)

    It's just a different kind of restlessness I think. While you say you have trouble shutting off your mind, I have trouble shutting off my body.

    My mom (INFJ) can go to sleep instantly, but she wakes up a lot throughout the night, whereas I'm awake until I pass out, but once I'm out, I'm dead until I'm yanked out of it by the cruel morning.
    Dude, yeah, grrr!!! I totally went to sleep at, well, whenever I did - like 1 am. And I kept waking up and going back to sleep and waking up and going back to sleep then I woke up at 6 am and couldn't get back to sleep. WTF?!

    Ahhh well, that's okay because tonight I'll probably pass out and HOPEFULLY sleep the night through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Members Only View Post
    Do any other N's, have an innate ability to be completely UNable to sleep, while simultaneously being able to sleep for days on end?

    I find it nearly impossible to shut my mind off to go to sleep, but when it is shut off, it is OFF. I then hate getting up again unless I have had a very lengthy sleep (At least 8 hours).
    You can hypnotize yourself to sleep. Close your eyes and imagine base diving into a sink hole somewhere in the Amazon. In your mind you want to keep falling and falling. Focus your attention either on an imaginary third eye or on counting down from 100. You want to keep your mind clear apart from that imagry of falling. Try not to fall asleep--you will fall asleep. It's perfectly safe. You do pretty much that without realizing it (without the imagry) every night. With enough practice you will actually reach quite a deep state of hypnosis without falling asleep. When you get to that stage you can simply tell yourself to fall into a deep peaceful sleep and wake refreshed at 8:00am or whatever time you like. You'll be surprised at how you are able to wake at precisely that time without an alarm clock.

    You could also try meditation which is basically the same as what I described, except the goal is to keep your mind clear. I think of meditation as defragging short term memory. Your short term memory gets full of all sorts of crap (overwhelmed) which causes stress.

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    I sleep well. Max 8 hours, min 7 hours, rarely above or below. I exercise daily for at least one hour and 15 minutes, I both go to school and work. Perhaps that's enough to consume my energy.

    Whenever I have nothing to do, my reaction is to become bored and more sleepy rather than less.
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