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    Default Cognitive Dissonance and Positive Disintegration

    Cognitive dissonance is the dissonance between ideas.

    While positive disintegration is the disintegration of emotion.

    An example of cognitive dissonance is between a belief in MBTI and knowing that MBTI is Invalid and Unreliable.

    And an example of positive disintegration is between delight and fear. As it is not usually possible or desirable to feel delight and fear at the same time, it then becomes impossible to feel and we start to disintegrate.

    And in the same way, as it is not usually possible or even desirable to entertain two contradictory ideas at the same time, we lose our ability to think.

    So cognitive dissonance leads us to lose our ability to think; and positive disintegration leads us to lose our ability to feel.

    Fortunately when we lose our ability to think and feel, we are cast back onto our deeper selves - and if we are prepared to work with our dissonance and disintegration, we will often discover a new thought or a new feeling.

    Unfortunately dissonance and disintegration are painful and disorientating, so we are inclined to avoid them.

    Pity.

    For dissonance and disintegration are the University of Life. And when you experience them, you are experiencing the University Orientation Week - a hiatus to prepare you for the changes ahead.

    So to experience dissonance or disintegration fully and fruitfully, you really need to take a week off - you are like a pupa in a chrysalis - and you will emerge as a butterfly.

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    Can you define MBTI please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    And in the same way, as it is not usually possible or even desirable to entertain two contradictory ideas at the same time, we lose our ability to think.
    < Doing the impossible since 1977.



    Impossible is nothing.


    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dissonance View Post
    Can you define MBTI please?
    Well, it's the well known Myers Briggs Type Indicator, copied from the book, "Personality Types", written by the NAZI collaborator, Carl Jung, who failed his analysis with Freud and became a New Age Guru.

    Imagine if the NAZIS had won the war. Jung would have been their prize Aryan.

    Jung would have finally achieved the power that he felt had been stolen from him by his father, and then stolen by Freud, his analyst, and then finally stolen by his suicidal Fuehrer.

    Jung saw himself, and he was betrayed, by his father, Freud and finally and unforgivably by his Fuehrer. And so quite naturally Jung betrayed all his followers.

    Jung was betrayed and was a betrayer. And he was unable to understand this in therapy.

    And never being able to individuate from his father and feel his own power, he set himself up with the bogus power of a Guru.

    And surely we all know now that Gurus are the problem, not the solution.

    And now MBTI is a world wide problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    < Doing the impossible since 1977.



    Impossible is nothing.


    Believe five impossible things before breakfast and have MBTI for lunch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    ...Carl Jung, who failed his analysis with Freud...
    I'd call that a qualification.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    This was indirectly related to dissonance, so I thought I'd throw it in here. Probably could be its own thread, but...

    The Power of Political Misinformation
    Interesting. Peoples likes and dislikes are emotional. The disinformation is just a convenient rationalization that lends weight and strengthens the negative emotion. This seems to show that the emotion is not dependent on the rationalization. The emotion remains when the rationalization is taken away.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    I'd call that a qualification.
    Because you are a humourous Romantic for whom analysis is anathema.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Because you are a humourous Romantic for whom analysis is anathema.
    Me thinks you'd have one of those impossible circumstances in your head were you to look beyond the surface.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    And never being able to individuate from his father and feel his own power, he set himself up with the bogus power of a Guru.
    And this is exactly what attracts so many followers to Jung and MBTI.

    Many have had their potency stolen by their own parents, so they seek the bogus power of a Guru - they become little gurus - they even use exactly the same words as their Guru - so after a while they all speak the same jargon.

    And having their power, or sense of self, stolen by their own parents, they seek to steal the potency of others using the magic incantation of four magic letters.

    And the way out is to feel the pain and suffering caused by your own parents, and then you will be less likely to foist the same pain and suffering on others, particularly your own children.

    The alternative is to remain part of the cycle of abuse - all under the Fuehrer, Jung.

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