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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    Anyone else here sensitive to loud noises, such as a vacuum cleaner? I always hated the vacuum cleaner. It might be because of my Asperger's Syndrome, but the way Keirsey describes the NT temperament, which almost wholly describes me, there seems to be a strong correlation between the temperament and autistic disorders.
    You're an Aspie? Like, diagnosed officially? I must have missed that...

    I don't like loud noises either, and certain times of day for me are terrible, especially after being in a quiet cube all day.

    Eating dinner with my family, and hearing people chew and talk and clink silverware and rock their legs and... all those little bits of subtle random noise... literally drives me to stick fingers in my ears and sometimes even leave the room, if I feel I've got to leave or just start screaming at people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    Anyone else here sensitive to loud noises, such as a vacuum cleaner? I always hated the vacuum cleaner. It might be because of my Asperger's Syndrome, but the way Keirsey describes the NT temperament, which almost wholly describes me, there seems to be a strong correlation between the temperament and autistic disorders.
    You're an Aspie? Like, diagnosed officially? I must have missed that...
    Wow. Wow. </Walken>

    I have never been officiall diagnosed, but it has been suggested. Hell, my DH calls me "Aspey".

    I cringe at loud noises - we have an old retro phone with a real brass bell. I turn it off when I'm home alone. Any loud noise makes me hunch up my shoulders and protect my ears. Too much noise and I can be on edge all day.

    We just moved out to the country and what a difference it has made. Loud frogs I can handle.

    Anyone else?

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    Yes, I am officially diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome. Though at first, they thought it was ADD. In a way, the two disorders are similar, but in another way, they're almost the exact opposite.

    My problem stemmed from not paying attention in school and staring off into space, so they thought it was ADD. But it turned out that it was a more narrow range of obsessions that I daydreamed about. That was what differentiated me from ADD, ADD people have trouble concentrating on one thing, while Aspies have trouble not concentrating on one thing.

    And from what I'm understanding, ADD is more cerebral while ADHD is more physical -- I read somewhere that ADD people are more often NPs while ADHD people are more often SPs.

    But anyway, from what my mom remembers, I started talking late and walking late, but I rapidly caught up. That's both a symptom of AS and part of Keirsey's NT temperament description. Growing up, I had unusual obsessions, too, such as ceiling fans, speakers, and sink drains.

    When I was growing up, I played by myself (and when I reached manhood, started playing with myself). I played my own fantasy games.

    I think it's degrading when certain articles say that Asperger children take things literally -- but I always thought children were literal in their thinking, anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    That was what differentiated me from ADD, ADD people have trouble concentrating on one thing, while Aspies have trouble not concentrating on one thing.
    That DOES seems to be a major difference. My ADD son basically cannot focus on anything, all stimulation is prioritized exactly the same -- so he is leaping from one thing to the next as soon as he experiences it. He has trouble locking onto anything long enough to make sense of it. His medicine basically "wakes up" the filter in his brain that allow him to prioritize and block out other stimulation.

    And from what I'm understanding, ADD is more cerebral while ADHD is more physical -- I read somewhere that ADD people are more often NPs while ADHD people are more often SPs.
    Yes, he's an ESFP. I have a hunch that the reason ADD was overdiagnosed is simply because of the preponderance of SP boys, compared to other types... and they're more prone to exhibit levels of ADD-like behavior. (The ADD behaviors and ESFP behaviors seem to overlap some, or at least mirror each other.)

    But I think some of the kids can learn to deal with the focus issue without meds (maybe these are your basic ESP kids), while others need meds (i.e., they actually do have ADD).

    When Ritalin first got popular, I do not think the doctors were screening well enough between the two groups, and too many ESP children were improperly medicated, hindering the use of their abilities.

    Growing up, I had unusual obsessions, too, such as ceiling fans, speakers, and sink drains.
    Wow. That sounds so... well, it's funny. "Yes, it's Christmas, and Jimmy is playing with the sink again instead of with his new toys."

    I think it's degrading when certain articles say that Asperger children take things literally -- but I always thought children were literal in their thinking, anyway.
    There are different levels of literalness. Even my N kids started out as "literal" -- I remember trying to explain to them what a metaphor was, and they looked at me as if I had completely gone insane. They just haven't yet physically developed their brain structures AND stored enough experiences to understand abstractions like that.

    But the two N kids picked up abstractions very quickly, while the S child is FINALLY starting to get an inkling. He was very literal and would not be able to understand things to the extent his siblings would start getting sarcastic with him, rolling their eyes, etc... and some of the questions he would ask would leave us wondering, "What?! What is there not to get?"

    For example, he would ask questions during a movie like, "Why are those two people talking?" (He tended to ask a new question every 15 seconds.) And the answer was, "They are talking... because they wanted to talk." And he couldn't figure out those things on his own easily... (And this is the same child who gets A's on homework and tests without any parental help in Math, of all things.)

    So children do have to develop abstraction ability... but some kids have a lot of trouble with abstraction or take longer to develop it.
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    Split from NTs, how do you deal with Reality...

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    Another classic autistic compulsion I had was lining up toy cars in straight lines.

    Aspies tend to collect concrete facts, but those facts usually revolve around their interests and are much more exclusive -- like an NT temperament is inclined to do. But since NT is the "knowledge-seeking" personality, I would think that NTs are more adept at collecting facts, but just not on the surface level.

    I disagree when articles say that Aspie children lack imagination though. When I was little, I used to play Sonic the Hedgehog on my Sega Genesis and afterward, I'd design and act out my own levels in my mind. I also went to a lot of movies, and then afterwards, I would act out my own storyline. Of course a conservative person would say that it's not imaginative if it's based on a movie, but imagination is based on a collection of outside experiences anyway. (You need to know what a chair looks like before you can understand its description in a book.)

    But this also became problematic because my parents thought there was something wrong with me, and so they took away my movies and video games a number of times.

    I also played with stuffed animals and invented my own games and stories -- sort of like a Calvin and Hobbes fashion. (I loved reading Calvin and Hobbes, by the way, too.) And besides, doesn't one of the principal traits of autism involve the patient being in a fantasy world?

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    Fantasy life is a large part of Asperger's, Uber.


    One of two online tests for Aspies.

    Second test

    I have no idea as to their accuracy. I score 32 on the first and 27 on the second.

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    Well I do notice a lot of Aspies with INTJ personality types. Supposedly, it's the most common personality type for people with the condition.

    Here, watch this video, it demonstrates the kind of ESFP/ESFJ shit I have to put up with when I go in public.

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    Oh man that was hillarious. "Im going to die of old age ... " I so understand. My SIL is an ESFP on antidepressants and she thinks it is her mission in life to include me in everything she plans. We are going to see her tomorrow. :sad:

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    One may have to wonder which one has AS...it seems to me that she was unaware of his boredom and uncaring.

    That's the thing I hate about AS. Shrinks say that Aspies are unable to comprehend the meaning of one's words, but I think the reality is that we just don't care about some people's rambling or the pretentious literature that students are forced to read in school.

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