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    There are also degrees of this, are there not? While I see patterns in numbers, remember dates to such a degree it freaks out my husband (I can tell you what day of the week November 13th will be this year, was last year, three years ago, etc) and bounce my leg constantly, I can do the fake small talk if I try, and I can read people's expressions and know when they're bored or upset with me.

    My phone is rining. Make it stop.

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    When I was growing up, I played by myself (and when I reached manhood, started playing with myself).
    You stole my line, bastard.

    But I can relate to alot of this. I haven't been diagnosed with AS, but after taking some online test and reading up on it a little, alot of it fits.

    I have always had a wierd obsession with water(but hate swimming), shadows, and reflections. Never had trouble socializing with others--but mostly because I never really seeked to make friends with many of them outside of school, and have often been told I make innappropraite comment's. I can be very blunt in speech, but i understand and recognize sarcasm and metaphor--though can be very gulible with close friends. Always prefered the company of my parent's friends, and younger kids, over that of my peers.

    I dont know how much of this could be attributed to my INTPness, but after reading the lists of symptoms a Aspergers diagnosis wouldn't be completly out of place.

    And yes vaccum cleaners are my worst fucking enemies. That and people doing the dishes, which for some reason carries to the other side the house into a closed bedroom.

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    I also hate the sound of telephone rings...so I turn the ringer off. Besides, I really hate talking to anyone.

    I used to be afraid of certain toilet flush sounds, but I grew out of that. Another weird phobia I used to have were the hand dryers in public restrooms. It wasn't their sound, but the look of them, for some reason, scared me. I also was scared of going through a car wash.

    I hate smoke alarms, as well, but who doesn't?

    I grew out of most of my weird fears, though.

    However, I actually like the sound of people eating and the sound of fingers tapping on the keyboard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfurher
    Yes, I am officially diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome. Though at first, they thought it was ADD. In a way, the two disorders are similar, but in another way, they're almost the exact opposite....

    My problem stemmed from not paying attention in school and staring off into space, so they thought it was ADD. But it turned out that it was a more narrow range of obsessions that I daydreamed about. That was what differentiated me from ADD, ADD people have trouble concentrating on one thing, while Aspies have trouble not concentrating on one thing.
    I have been diagnosed with both ADHD and Autism...considering the differences between them, I wonder how my brain works it out...

    I am very sensitive to noises. Can't stand the phone, running water, the fridge which hums and coughs, or the angry growl of the vaccum cleaner. The way the neighbors blast music- hiphop and Latin- I'd like to throw their stereos out the window.

    I am also literal to the point that I am teased by my therapist; she'll say something that I take at face value, then burst out laughing when I take her seriously. People are always laughing at what I say - or they get stunned and silent, or angry. Or they practically fall off their chairs. And I don't know what I said to make them react that way.

    I can remember only two obsessions as a kid; One was flushing the toilet over and over, and the other was sticking things in electrical sockets. Yeah, I got shocked more than once. I didn't seem to be able to learn from it.

    I did a lot of physical stuff, like rocking, headbanging , flipping my hands, keening, chewing the corners of my mouth, and scratching myself. Kinda freaked my mother out, I think.

    I had a lot of trouble speaking. I'll say I was understandable by age 8, but I didn't really bother 'til I was 10. I really didn't see the point. Small talk has been explained to me, but I still struggle to do it.

    I made patterns of pennies and m&m's. There's something perfect and soothing about roundness.

    Heck, I still live in a huge fantasy world.

    Fortunately, my sister Bea explained things- all the why's I had. Still does, often. Alienclock is sometimes able to percieve when I'm going to say something that will get me in trouble, and pulls my coat.

    I have some difficulty reading expressions- but I'm great at seeing changes in complexion due to emotion, and I'm fairly good at posture and body language. Frankly, I don't see how people understand each other. Humans can be saying one thing with their words, another thing with the tone of their voice, a third with their body posture, and a fourth with their gestures. And they may have a flush or a paleness that belies the mood they're trying to put over. I find animals much easier to comprehend. They tend to be saying one thing with their whole self. Also probably why I like smilies- What they intend to convey is soooo obvious.

    I still have no idea what this means.

    I used to bite people too...especially when they touched me. Maybe that was the autism- or maybe I was just a brat.

    Has anyone else been told that they're disinhibited?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crabapple View Post
    I have been diagnosed with both ADHD and Autism...considering the differences between them, I wonder how my brain works it out...

    I am very sensitive to noises. Can't stand the phone, running water, the fridge which hums and coughs, or the angry growl of the vaccum cleaner. The way the neighbors blast music- hiphop and Latin- I'd like to throw their stereos out the window.

    I am also literal to the point that I am teased by my therapist; she'll say something that I take at face value, then burst out laughing when I take her seriously. People are always laughing at what I say - or they get stunned and silent, or angry. Or they practically fall off their chairs. And I don't know what I said to make them react that way.

    I can remember only two obsessions as a kid; One was flushing the toilet over and over, and the other was sticking things in electrical sockets. Yeah, I got shocked more than once. I didn't seem to be able to learn from it.

    I did a lot of physical stuff, like rocking, headbanging , flipping my hands, keening, chewing the corners of my mouth, and scratching myself. Kinda freaked my mother out, I think.

    I had a lot of trouble speaking. I'll say I was understandable by age 8, but I didn't really bother 'til I was 10. I really didn't see the point. Small talk has been explained to me, but I still struggle to do it.

    I made patterns of pennies and m&m's. There's something perfect and soothing about roundness.

    Heck, I still live in a huge fantasy world.

    Fortunately, my sister Bea explained things- all the why's I had. Still does, often. Alienclock is sometimes able to percieve when I'm going to say something that will get me in trouble, and pulls my coat.

    I have some difficulty reading expressions- but I'm great at seeing changes in complexion due to emotion, and I'm fairly good at posture and body language. Frankly, I don't see how people understand each other. Humans can be saying one thing with their words, another thing with the tone of their voice, a third with their body posture, and a fourth with their gestures. And they may have a flush or a paleness that belies the mood they're trying to put over. I find animals much easier to comprehend. They tend to be saying one thing with their whole self. Also probably why I like smilies- What they intend to convey is soooo obvious.

    I still have no idea what this means.

    I used to bite people too...especially when they touched me. Maybe that was the autism- or maybe I was just a brat.

    Has anyone else been told that they're disinhibited?
    I'm almost convinced that there is a connection between autistic spectrum disorders and dominant Introverted Intuition.

    I think that since Introverted Intuition isn't observable, one might observe the patient for "lacking imagination and introspection." But the simple matter is that it's just not apparent. Introverted Intuitive types are known for having great difficulty expressing their conceptions.

    But since Introverted Intuitive children are so rare, they will probably qualify as having a disability. Whereas Introverted Sensation children are relatively common, and so probably will not be labeled as "abnormal."

    I think Introverted Intuition has even more trouble with the thought of change because of a vivid imagination. To observers, the Ni's fear of change could seem unnatural.

    Introverted Sensation types, who naturally look to past experiences in the face of change, probably have an easier time feeling secure during these situations.

    I've also noticed that many more Intuitive types I've come into contact with have trouble taking words literally. I think this is due to a misconception in the S/N dichotomy.

    I think what is really meant is the S type will take things literally as in looking at things as they are while the N type is figurative in the sense they idealize things in their minds.

    Dominant Ni types will take things concretely until they've gotten a chance to process them in solitude.

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    Hmmmm......
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    This article might be of interest.

    There seems to be a strong correlation between those with Asperger syndrome or high-functioning autism (HFA) and the INTP type of the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI): description 1, description 2. Another theory states that Asperger's correlates to the INTJ personality type, whereas high functioning autism correlates to the INFJ personality type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    I'm almost convinced that there is a connection between autistic spectrum disorders and dominant Introverted Intuition....

    But since Introverted Intuitive children are so rare, they will probably qualify as having a disability. Whereas Introverted Sensation children are relatively common, and so probably will not be labeled as "abnormal."....

    I think Introverted Intuition has even more trouble with the thought of change because of a vivid imagination. To observers, the Ni's fear of change could seem unnatural....

    Introverted Sensation types, who naturally look to past experiences in the face of change, probably have an easier time feeling secure during these situations....

    I've also noticed that many more Intuitive types I've come into contact with have trouble taking words literally. I think this is due to a misconception in the S/N dichotomy....

    Dominant Ni types will take things concretely until they've gotten a chance to process them in solitude.
    I would say: If the structure, chemistry, and sensitivity of the brain determines temperment/personality type, then certain types of brain are more prone or likely to have certain personalities/temperments. There are observable differences in "autistic brains", so it is likely that these brains would be prone to have observable differences in personality from the "average" brain.

    I would say: Neither average nor autistic people enjoy rapid or profound change. The additional, observable, autistic dislike for change may be due to brain sensitivity and sensory overload.

    As for taking things literally- when the autistic brain processes social information, it has difficulty in picking up on social cues and other less concrete forms of communication, like facial expression. It uses what it has available.

    O/T: Can you tell me why these subjects/concepts are so important to you?
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    Whenever I see connections between things, I obsess about them.

    And if you weren't already aware. I have Asperger's Syndrome, and some of what is written about it on the Internet is quite wrong.

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    I feel like I should contribute. We have a house full of INs, I and at least one of my sons have ADHD inattentive type, and both of my sons (and possibly more of us) are on the spectrum. I'm not sure what to say.

    We are all of us sensitive to noise. Some of us have other weird sensory issues. None of us are particularly social or adept at socializing. We all have pretty narrow and intense interests, but some more so than others.

    The only thing I can think to add is that when my younger son was "stimming" in an inappropriate way at school, they taped some textured fabric to his desk to give him something else to play with. Thank God for an understanding teacher and a clever speech therapist.
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