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    Default Do you have to forget to truly forgive?

    If you forgive someone do you have to put aside their actions completely? If you do keep holding on to something someone did and judge their future actions against it have you truly forgiven them?

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    No. I think with time it is possible to be at peace with things that have happened. It might not be easy or fast, but I do think it's possible. Once the pain of their actions subsides it can also be easier to see things from the other person's perspective, which makes forgiveness a lot easier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frosty6226 View Post
    If you forgive someone do you have to put aside their actions completely?
    If one ever wants to truly love someone, then I think it's necessary to forgive and forget. If that's not possible because an offense is unforgettable (i.e., infidelity), or chronic (i.e., theft), I think one should do what's best for the both of them and create a safe distance or sever ties.

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    Default Do you have to forget to truly forgive?

    From a F function perspective I figure to forgive is to give of the self as prior transgression perceived. Or maybe it is also a function of temperament and cognitive functions or perhaps it is a combination of all three and one more that is led by the Egoic Mind the selfs own personal Ethos.

    Some times things work in fours and part of working in fours could require input from four perspectives from a universal view provided by the subtype level of minds operations.

    Note that there are four uses of each of the nine numbers in the overall sequence that is a working template for or persons within there own inner enneagram:

    9w1 , 1w9 , 1w2 , 2w1 , 2w3 , 3w2 , 3w4 , 4w3 , 4w5 ,
    5w4 , 5w6 , 6w5 , 6w7 , 7w6 , 7w8 , 8w7 , 8w9 , 9w8 .

    Within this sequence we can see each number is utilised four times.

    Then thinking what is the Egoic Mind it maybe helpful to think of these Nine Functioning Components as be implicate to a definition for defining the basic boundaries of the question what defines an Egoic mind or the Egoic minds distinct caricaturists.


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    These nine components working in unison I believe constitute what is refers to as the Egoic Mind.

    The complexity naturally will require a working structure larger that nine simple words but it is a start and it is how I see or define what is an Egoic minds primary base framework starting points as a structure.

    I think all nine components work equally from for each of the eighteen subtypes but the story of type will most likely manifest various repeatable patters of both similarity difference and diversity and over all synergies.

    Please forgive me if I have made some small errors in logic while providing explanation, I am an INFP and I tent to error in logic when explaining things in finite detail. I think I have explained things accurately enough to be correct within my explanation of a basic Egoic Minds Constructs as actions of will expressed and experienced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frosty6226 View Post
    If you forgive someone do you have to put aside their actions completely? If you do keep holding on to something someone did and judge their future actions against it have you truly forgiven them?
    Inasmuch as forgiveness is a conscious and deliberate action, I don't think you can forgive without remembering. If you truly forget - it is gone from your memory - so is that act of forgiveness. It's as if the incident never happened, which would imply you learned nothing from the experience.
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    No. I forgive people when the change from how they were previously that resulted in me shutting them out or labeling them as some form of bad.
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    I don't need to forgive to move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    Inasmuch as forgiveness is a conscious and deliberate action, I don't think you can forgive without remembering. If you truly forget - it is gone from your memory - so is that act of forgiveness. It's as if the incident never happened, which would imply you learned nothing from the experience.
    Forgive and forget is an expression similar to the idiom bury the hatchet where forgive means to pardon and forget implies to have peace (to have no resentment), and to not bring up the fault again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skinny-Love View Post
    Forgive and forget is an expression similar to the idiom bury the hatchet where forgive means to pardon and forget implies to have peace (to have no resentment), and to not bring up the fault again.
    That's not "forgive and forget"; that's "forgive and don't mention it".
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