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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCheeseBurgerKing View Post
    This is a big part of why people get away with sociopathic behavior. People actually believe crap like what you just said.

    I was sociopathic for a while, and let me tell you, the intent to harm is there. Sociopaths know exactly what their doing, they just don't give a shit.

    If you have an atheist belief system and survival of the fittest mentality, why the hell would you give a damn if something "hurts anothers feelings"? From that point of view, its down right stupid to care. It's only beneficial to care about someone if it somehow helps you, every thing is a business situation.

    The fact that people justify shit like being a sociopath and being bipolar really pisses me off because it's so f&*&ing moronic.

    It's adaptive behavior that people learn that they can get away with.

    Be real with yourself. The whole "Poor dear, you can't feel empathy!" crap is the literally the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

    Wake up.
    You were not a sociopath. You are a narcissist. It's in the same Cluster B group of personality disorders and a person with one disorder tends to share characteristics of another. Your behavior reeks of narcissism to the point that it's giving me an "ew, gross" reaction.

    I was raised by a high functioning sociopath. I've studied this for years and I know what they look like. You either are a sociopath or you are not. Possessing some sociopathic behavior traits does not make you a sociopath. It can mean a number of things, but in your case, you're just a narcissist with a self-serving sadistic streak, which is pretty normal for that PD. Read up on it and do something about yourself before you inflict yourself on anyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarlaxle
    While this might be useful to comfort us as the outside observers, it doesn't hold much merit as a well reasoned explanation. We don't really understand it well enough to define it by internal mechanisms. The best we know from neurological studies suggests that they can turn on and off emotional reactions, but as the slavery and crusades and wars and inquisitions and various examples of violent mob behavior have shown, under the right circumstances, so can the rest of us.
    You're suggesting that sociopathy as a phenomenon is poorly understood, and might even function as a kind of smokescreen. I'm not entirely sure whether I agree, but I haven't done too much reading into the topic. The chief point is that it is apparent to me that the correlation between intelligence and sociopathy in the popular imagination is false; and I am glad that the article posted earlier provided me with empirical data to verify that.

    You also make an interesting observation about group psychology. I certainly agree with these observations, and I admit to being more concerned about this aspect of human psychology than the individaul sociopaths. Undoubtedly, I have a variety of biases (because of personal history and other reasons) that make this almost an obsession of sorts, but can anyone truly deny it?

    I wonder if modern psychology focuses on the individual to such an extent that it ignores the dynamics of group psychology. Often times, it seems like a group of people can take on a sort of personality of its own. This influence is something I have observed many times, in myself, and in others. I've often felt my emotional inclinations and thought patterns change as I've shifted between different groups. One excellent place to observe this is at political rallies and sporting events, if someone wishes to test this for themselves.

    I suspect many people like to shove this malleability under the radar because it's not a very comforting thought. We like to assume that we are fully autonomous individuals, independent of what is going on around us, but it seems apparent to me that we act as part of a system.

    I do think it is possible to insulate ourselves from this toxic malleability, though. In that respect, I have hope. I think perhaps this is what Jung was going on about when he spoke of individuation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    You're suggesting that sociopathy as a phenomenon is poorly understood, and might even function as a kind of smokescreen. I'm not entirely sure whether I agree, but I haven't done too much reading into the topic.
    Don't get me wrong - if you will research it you will find a fully detailed theory about what it is and how it works, my point was a counter argument to the theoretical foundation behind that explanation. Frankly, I might think it's built on faulty reasoning, but thousands of well trained minds take it at face value and write their conclusions within the framework of the existing theory.

    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    I wonder if modern psychology focuses on the individual to such an extent that it ignores the dynamics of group psychology. Often times, it seems like a group of people can take on a sort of personality of its own. This influence is something I have observed many times, in myself, and in others. I've often felt my emotional inclinations and thought patterns change as I've shifted between different groups. One excellent place to observe this is at political rallies and sporting events, if someone wishes to test this for themselves.
    Social psychology is still in it's diapers. Given time, I think it has a lot of potential to provide tons of insight into human nature & make connections we've never thought about between the sort of dots we all see & never really thought much of, the same way personal psychology started doing slightly over a century ago. There is so much for us to learn within the context of "us"... I really hope I'll be around to see some of it's more developed fruits within our lifetimes.


    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    You also make an interesting observation about group psychology. I certainly agree with these observations, and I admit to being more concerned about this aspect of human psychology than the individaul sociopaths. Undoubtedly, I have a variety of biases (because of personal history and other reasons) that make this almost an obsession of sorts, but can anyone truly deny it?
    People deny it all the time. How many people do you know who have a moral ego? Who define their merits by their values and what they would never do? It's a pretty common way to view the self.
    But there are unfortunate unlikely implications to ignoring the circumstances - the cultural values we were raised in, the social environment we exist in, our standing within it. To believe your morals are beyond it is to believe that raised in a society were slavery or killing or child sacrifice were the norm you would be the one innocent human being who'd know right from wrong, that it is you who are somehow fundamentally superior to them in morals, rather then thousands of years of ideas tinkled on you throughout the generations. If it was the case that people had such inherent morals enlightenment, as many as people have moral ego's, where were they throughout history? IMO this makes it very unlikely that human nature can ever be that disconnected. Not only will we not have had our morals back then, if we some how traveled back in time and did, we will not be moral by their standards, because they've done as much of a good job rationalizing their values as we do ours.

    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    I suspect many people like to shove this malleability under the radar because it's not a very comforting thought. We like to assume that we are fully autonomous individuals, independent of what is going on around us, but it seems apparent to me that we act as part of a system.
    Exactly.
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    Sociopathy is environment. Psychopathy is in born. (Although, I did think I heard/read something about changing the titles yesterday).

    It IS a lack of concern for others, because they cannot connect, but they do typically recognise emotions in others, and since they lack a "conscience" and so they're not a person to them, they have no problem manipulating and using them.

    People on the Autistic Spectrum are different in that they CAN connect - feel their pain etc, but do not understand, recognise or know how to respond to seeing them experiencing a negative feeling. (unless they make the effort to study things like body language and male-female dynamics and a whole bunch more)

    Sherlock has Aspergers I believe, but they have removed Aspergers from the latest DSM.
    I could continue talking about this.


    There is more I want to say in response to the OP but no doubt what I want to say would result in everyone kicking off, but I also want to say a few things to everyone else as well, but it would get ugly with an ENTJ, INTP and ENTJ who went to ENFP, so using my Sherlock Holmes skills that I got off amazon for $27.99, and i'm going to go with, that's not a good idea.

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    ENFP married to a sociopathic (by my estimation) ENTJ. It's ugly. We're the relationships that end up on the news because dude goes nuts and does something crazy. I'm still subject to stalking two months post restraining order.

    He just has no conscious. None, whatsoever. He says what needs said to meet his needs. He doesn't truly care about me or our children, he only cares about the emotional support we can give him and the image of the "perfect family" that he needs for his ego.

    He is incapable of producing true emotions for himself. He has to leech them from another person, or manufacture them via drama.

    Emotional parasites is how I describe it. They NEED someone to feed off of and will do whatever necessary to keep their victim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aanule View Post
    ENFP married to a sociopathic (by my estimation) ENTJ. It's ugly. We're the relationships that end up on the news because dude goes nuts and does something crazy. I'm still subject to stalking two months post restraining order.

    He just has no conscious. None, whatsoever. He says what needs said to meet his needs. He doesn't truly care about me or our children, he only cares about the emotional support we can give him and the image of the "perfect family" that he needs for his ego.

    He is incapable of producing true emotions for himself. He has to leech them from another person, or manufacture them via drama.

    Emotional parasites is how I describe it. They NEED someone to feed off of and will do whatever necessary to keep their victim.
    I hope you manage to keep away from him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aanule View Post
    ENFP married to a sociopathic (by my estimation) ENTJ. It's ugly. We're the relationships that end up on the news because dude goes nuts and does something crazy. I'm still subject to stalking two months post restraining order.

    He just has no conscious. None, whatsoever. He says what needs said to meet his needs. He doesn't truly care about me or our children, he only cares about the emotional support we can give him and the image of the "perfect family" that he needs for his ego.

    He is incapable of producing true emotions for himself. He has to leech them from another person, or manufacture them via drama.

    Emotional parasites is how I describe it. They NEED someone to feed off of and will do whatever necessary to keep their victim.


    Oh wow yeah I'm so sorry that sounds rough. I've dealt with people before who I think have just absolutely no awareness of how to empathise with other people. It is like since they feel empty inside they set out to make others feel empty too. They rip and tear you apart. I really hope that he stops bothering you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luke O View Post
    I hope you manage to keep away from him.
    I'm definitely never going back to him. Unfortunately, because of the children, I do have to have contact with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frosty6226 View Post
    Oh wow yeah I'm so sorry that sounds rough. I've dealt with people before who I think have just absolutely no awareness of how to empathise with other people. It is like since they feel empty inside they set out to make others feel empty too. They rip and tear you apart. I really hope that he stops bothering you.
    Ripping and tearing apart is a very good description. I've learned to just ignore his words and not allow them to affect me. I know it's just his attempt to continue to control and hurt me.

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