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    Yeah, I love studies like that because I break all the molds.

    I'm mainly fiscally socialist, culturally conservative but I'm not even consistently so, some cultural topics I'm libertarian about provided people are doing their own thing and keeping to themselves I dont care, although that's never the case, always someone wanting to interfer and control someone else, assholes. Usually liberals, so called progressives, always someone despising the way things have been done and proven to work well, or rich bastards ready to take more than they deserve with no one to stop them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    Politics varies from country to country, and sometimes region to region. There really isn't a good way to make it universal throughout everything, so you have to pick a reference point to set the "zero" value within a specefic country and region. I don't think that invalidates the study though. They've merely chosen a window to view it under, and within the US anyway, it appears to work.
    Absolutely politics vary. I don't think the study is invalidated either (although admittedly all I did was breeze through the article, so I haven't looked at it in any detail), and I don't doubt that it "works" in the US... but it's probably the only place it works. That's all I was getting at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 93JC View Post
    Any study of "left vs. right" or "conservative vs. liberal" is relative to how the author defines these terms. One man's right-winger is another's liberal pinko. It's why I don't put much stock into the various online "political compass" tests I've taken: most tend to be very "ameri-centric".

    There are six political parties with members in the Canadian House of Commons (and seven members sitting as independents). The most "right-wing" of them all is the Conservative Party, which holds the majority of seats and formed government. This is a government that governs a country that has universal public healthcare, gay marriage, gun control, no laws on abortion, no laws on prostitution, etc.
    My takeaway is that while party platforms vary from country to country, the conservative tendency to support the status quo is consistent -- because of the negativity bias. The negativity bias leads conservatives to be uncomfortable with variation from whatever set of norms and laws they grew up with, and in extreme cases to come up with all kinds of rationalizations, suspicions, and conspiracy theories to justify their dogmatic adherence to said status quo.

    So for example -- and correct me if this has not been your experience when listening to Canadian conservatives -- even though U.S. conservatives argue against universal healthcare and Canadian conservatives might argue against privatized healthcare*, many of their arguments are similar. "Why change what's been tried and proven to work?" "Other healthcare systems may work in other nations, but every nation is different!" "Change healthcare?! No, that way lies communism/libertarianism!!!" And so on.

    (Granted, Canadian conservatives do have a good argument for the healthcare status quo that U.S. conservatives don't: Human empathy. )

    *I don't know if any Canadian group of note argues for privatizing healthcare, but for the sake of discussion...
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    People who prefer the predictability/the status quo tend to not want things to change?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 93JC View Post
    Any study of "left vs. right" or "conservative vs. liberal" is relative to how the author defines these terms. One man's right-winger is another's liberal pinko. It's why I don't put much stock into the various online "political compass" tests I've taken: most tend to be very "ameri-centric".

    There are six political parties with members in the Canadian House of Commons (and seven members sitting as independents). The most "right-wing" of them all is the Conservative Party, which holds the majority of seats and formed government. This is a government that governs a country that has universal public healthcare, gay marriage, gun control, no laws on abortion, no laws on prostitution, etc.
    Sounds like a sexy sexy country.
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    Is a "no shit" really necessary in reference to the title alone of this thread? I think so.

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    I've read somewhere that when two opposing sides are against each other in beliefs that new incoming information would be seen as support for each opposing side. Something along the lines of cognitive bias or something; it happens when two sides don't really care what the other believes and uses anything new as support, molding it to their own view. It's interesting how this difference in psychology could be the cause of each one thinking that the new piece of information (be it a study or opinion of an expert) is support for their view.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    It's still enlightining though and does lend to considering different ways of discourse and presentation when it comes to politics.
    Hardly. When was the last time you saw a political campaign that tried to present 'best honed arguments' at the expense of superficial, emotional siren calls? Marketing research has known it for quite a while. More recently, the gods saw fit to give us neuromarketing to confirm it yet again. Pretty much any intelligent person interested in politics knew it all along. The sad part is that, regardless of political persuasion, people all around are fucking gullible. I am quite convinced that the temperamental differences between the two groups studied here will remain no more than a minor fun fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    This topic has been studied before. Basically conservatives are low on openness scale on big 5(not open to new ideas or change).
    Yes, this is generally true.

    However, I would argue that one needs to distinguish between mainstream conservatives (mainly SJs) and radical conservatives (mostly Ns, at least from what I've seen on the internet).

    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    Also conservatives have lower IQ on average than liberals(high openness correlates with high IQ), but thats just obvious..
    As far as I am aware, studies on this have been very conflicting, and whatever IQ differences there may be between liberals and conservatives, they are within a standard deviation on average (so not significant). Please cite.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...x-relationship

    Nonetheless, I do agree that liberals and conservatives are cognitively distinct, and there is a good lecture by Jonothan Haidt on moral differences between the two groups. I will dig it up later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Hardly. When was the last time you saw a political campaign that tried to present 'best honed arguments' at the expense of superficial, emotional siren calls? Marketing research has known it for quite a while. More recently, the gods saw fit to give us neuromarketing to confirm it yet again. Pretty much any intelligent person interested in politics knew it all along. The sad part is that, regardless of political persuasion, people all around are fucking gullible. I am quite convinced that the temperamental differences between the two groups studied here will remain no more than a minor fun fact.
    Ok, so it's a little wishful thinking on my end. At the minimum though academics and political scientists will be taking this further, and it can frame conversations an analysis somewhat.
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