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    Default 10 years to being a genius in something

    They say that it takes 10 years of full time practice to develop a genius-level skill in something. If you have at least average intelligence and you haven't picked a grossly inappropriate skill set for your person, you would do extremely well in 10 years. Might take 20 years of time if you have only 4 hours/day for your self-education.

    So, what would you pick?

    I might want to be a kick-ass project engineer at software projects. Of course I'm afraid it might not happen. But, still.

    How the situation might change if I'm allowed to pick a skill I may develop entirely on my own? I Might like singing, speaking several languages or some other performance.

    What do you think of the concept "10 years to being a genius at something?"
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    nothing that requires too much planning or contemplating


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    10 years. Are you referring to something Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi may have said? Regardless, no. I don't think one has to pass a standardized 10-year mark to be a genius at something, nor do I think one can just rip off their clothes, get on a scale, and weigh in as a "genius." I have a flexible attitude toward the word and how it can manifest.
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    My something would be to find the most suitable method to get what I want (or get close to what I want) within a limited time frame.
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    That 10 year rule has some extreme outliers. Some people accomplish a genius level at 3 years.

    Elon Musk said if you want to be an entrepenuer and you're not prepared to work 100 hours forget it and you are doomed to fail.

    If you play guitar and can't strum one string 100 times once a day, a great guitar teacher said, forget it.

    Being a genius at something isn't mentally as hard as it is a matter of grit. Success is determined by grit. If you want something bad enough you will do it.

    Do you like watching T.v.? Do you want to be a genius at watching t.v.? Hmmm...maybe it's time to limit your t.v. time to ten to twenty minutes a day at most and start focusing on your path to self development.

    Maybe you are a genius at meditation?
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    I've heard the idea of "genius" used in this context to describe a truly notable individual in their use of skill, expertise, knowledge and whatnot. This concept has been around for a while, and many people note that not everyone is a "genius" - or someone they would recognize as a "genius" after 10 years of practice.

    Some guy told he's expert on perpetual machines and free energy due to spending 30 years of his life on it. So my opinion is that 30 years (let alone 10 years) of work didn't make that guy a genius in his own field.

    Still, some people achieve spectacular results from 10 years of work.

    Yes I'm a fan of Csikszentmihalyi's work. This 10 year to genius -thing is repeated elsewhere too, though. I'm wondering if this is one of those unfounded anecdotes like the ones that claim you're using only 10 percent of your brain - or, if in the opposite, there's some merit to this claim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GarrotTheThief View Post
    That 10 year rule has some extreme outliers. Some people accomplish a genius level at 3 years.
    It seems more probable that a person who's genius after 3 years of practice has had extensive practice before those 3 years. For example, someone is a great tv actor after only 3 years; surprise, they've had other experience for acting for whole 7 years!

    Quote Originally Posted by GarrotTheThief View Post
    Elon Musk said if you want to be an entrepenuer and you're not prepared to work 100 hours forget it and you are doomed to fail.
    The productivity maximum for a person occurs at about 40 hours of work / week so why would anyone be so egg-headed as to work 2,5x the optimum?

    Quote Originally Posted by GarrotTheThief View Post
    If you play guitar and can't strum one string 100 times once a day, a great guitar teacher said, forget it.
    10,000 seems a more likely figure.

    Quote Originally Posted by GarrotTheThief View Post
    Being a genius at something isn't mentally as hard as it is a matter of grit. Success is determined by grit. If you want something bad enough you will do it.
    I had to google this "grit" to find out what's it about. It seems much like "sisu" the people of my country are so proud of.

    Quote Originally Posted by GarrotTheThief View Post
    Do you like watching T.v.? Do you want to be a genius at watching t.v.? Hmmm...maybe it's time to limit your t.v. time to ten to twenty minutes a day at most and start focusing on your path to self development.

    Maybe you are a genius at meditation?
    I use this tecnique myself, addressing the reader. I'm not sure if you are referring to singular you (me, the OP) or a plular you. It's a good point though. Anyone spending their time on an unproductive thing would find themselves spectacularly proficient in an unproductive thing. Not worth the effort.
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    Ten years can allow you to master a skill, but not become a genius at it. I think there is a difference. Mastering a skill has to do with being able to recreate a complex task, but genius is about being able to generate new ideas. Perhaps the terms are not defined accurately in my understanding, but there is some type of distinction that should be made between the two types of mastery.
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    I should be a master model painter then since I've done it for nigh on 13 years. Unfortunately I'm just OK until you look too close.

    My experience is that you get better with certain leaps of understanding and making effort to pursue new methods or try more advanced techniques. The speed at which someone does this is individually dependant. For example my brother was a natural painter of miniatures and i think art in general despite his wavering interest. I was amazed how he picked up on colour theory in model painting without even knowing what it was. Things like spot colours, the tri-colour choice.... which colours worked together etc...

    But he was better than me after a week than I was after 5 years and while he now marvels at what I paint, I always say he could easily be better than me if he wanted to pick it up again. But he found booze and drugs a better distraction I guess.
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    I will never be a genius at anything then, I can't do the same thing for ten straight years
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