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    It looks like a Just-Say-No public service announcement for pre-teen kids. It's like PSAs telling kids to Just Say "No" to smoking/alcohol/drugs/etc.

    Those things tend to be pretty simplistic. They're aimed at kids, after all. There's not much subtlety in public service announcements like "Here's your brain on drugs."

    I'm guessing the purpose of this particular PSA is to teach young Italians that the concept of "macho" shouldn't include slapping your girlfriend around.
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    Yeah, it seems to be a well-meaning campaign about a valid issue facing modern Italy.

    Femicide In Italy: Domestic Violence Persists Despite New Laws - Forbes

    It's just that some of it still feels icky to me, like the "because she's pretty" part. What if the girl had been less conventionally attractive, or another ethnicity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    But they're not trying to represent gender equality. They're trying to promote the idea that it is not right to hit women. And... Honestly, that's not an awful message. The reality of the situation is that while I'm all for both gender equality and non-violence in the household.. Overwhelmingly the statistics show that the ones abused in the homes are usually women. I don't think it's trying to imply anything about the genders.

    The only part of the video that even remotely bothered me was when one of the kids said, "because she's pretty." But even then.. It's a kid. And those aren't really his true values being reflected. He heard that somewhere along the way, OR he was taught to say that all girls are pretty. Either way, I don't really care, he's like 10.
    Indeed.
    That is why I've said, in my original post; "If this organization is pro-gender equality, I find the message to be somewhat ironic [...]".

    The message is suggestive of a multitude of sexist statements.

    My interpretation of this message is; "Don't hit girls because they're girls."

    Rather, they could have targeted domestic violence as a whole, and portrayed both 'worlds'.

    Apparently, 40% of domestic violence victims, are men, thus, it is somewhat odd to target women and send a message that women should not be hit for the sole reason that they are women.

    One child answered; "Because I'm against violence".

    That position, IMO, would have been the main concern if it was equitably presented, regardless of sex.

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    Is that statistic accurate in Italy, where this PSA was made?

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    this video really creeped me out the second they brought the girl out. the whole third party "what do you like about her?" and ordering the boys to caress her. it reminded me of porn
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    No. I do not like this at all. The entire thing made me extremely uncomfortable. I had to skip through it due to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chickpea View Post
    this video really creeped me out the second they brought the girl out. the whole third party "what do you like about her?" and ordering the boys to caress her. it reminded me of porn
    Yeah...I'm kind of worried about the girl now. I hope she's safe.
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    I'll admit the creep factor was pretty high in this clip. Asking the boys what they liked about the girl, and telling them to touch her, was not exactly in the spirit of gender equality. If it was, the girl should have been asked the same questions about the boys.

    To be fair, though, I've been to Italy, and I couldn't help noticing that a lot of the men I encountered were extremely flirtatious. It was almost like it was an unconscious, autonomic reflex to flirt with women. So it's not really surprising that the boys in the clip were saying things like "She's pretty" and "I want to be her boyfriend." It seems like a cultural thing that's ingrained in them from childhood.

    Not slapping a girl simply because she is a girl isn't much of a reason not to hit someone, but I guess it's better than nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eska View Post
    Indeed.
    That is why I've said, in my original post; "If this organization is pro-gender equality, I find the message to be somewhat ironic [...]".

    The message is suggestive of a multitude of sexist statements.

    My interpretation of this message is; "Don't hit girls because they're girls."

    Rather, they could have targeted domestic violence as a whole, and portrayed both 'worlds'.

    Apparently, 40% of domestic violence victims, are men, thus, it is somewhat odd to target women and send a message that women should not be hit for the sole reason that they are women.

    One child answered; "Because I'm against violence".

    That position, IMO, would have been the main concern if it was equitably presented, regardless of sex.
    Being pro-gender equality, and respecting culture as it currently stands and not passing judgments are not mutually exclusive. You have to pick and choose your battles, and I argue they went for the bigger picture here.

    It is okay to say, 'We are all for gender equality' and also recognize that men are primarily the culprits of violence. On top of that, it's simply showcasing WHY the children (which, like I said before, are mirroring adults they've grown up around) are not hitting the girl, rather than passing any judgments one way or the other. They aren't saying it's OKAY for the boys to think that.. only it's great that they made the right moral decision when it came down to social pressure. It's okay to show that a major deterrent in breaking those moralities or non-violence is simply because they are women and that the children are taught right from the start that women for whatever reason is something that is a serious, grave no-no.. So much so that even around an authority figure that tells them it's okay to do something, they veer against it and refuse. And while the reasons may be seated in positive sexism... I think the Bigger and arguably far more important picture is that it's a safer world for women if boys are taught for whatever reason that smacking and hitting a girl is seriously wrong because it is far less safe for women in this world violence-wise. The domestic violence far exceeds what, to me, is more of a first-world-problem on the motivations why. It isn't perfect, but I think the center of the video being on violence is still okay. It isn't ironic at all that they're pro-gender but highlighting a different, more specific issue, while showcasing the motivations why without passing judgments. And if you're just saying 'if' they were pro-gender because you actually don't know if they are or not... then.. why is it even an issue if they're not pro-gender? The thread wouldn't exist or need to exist at all. So I'm going on the assumption they are here..

    There's a famous study where adults.. Full grown adults mind you. Functioning in society. Overwhelmingly shocked to the point of lethal doses people for the SOLE reason that they were told to by someone of authority and that it's 'okay'. For children to say no to that guy, with him having permission to talk from his parents, and him also saying it's okay, for those boys to still say no to me shows a swing in a positive direction. Even if those morals are not their own, and imperfect in their motivations, they've still internalized it. I don't see how that's showing hypocrisy in the filmmakers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    There's a famous study where adults.. Full grown adults mind you. Functioning in society. Overwhelmingly shocked to the point of lethal doses people for the SOLE reason that they were told to by someone of authority and that it's 'okay'. For children to say no to that guy, with him having permission to talk from his parents, and him also saying it's okay, for those boys to still say no to me shows a swing in a positive direction. Even if those morals are not their own, and imperfect in their motivations, they've still internalized it. I don't see how that's showing hypocrisy in the filmmakers.
    They recreate that study every so often for various reasons and the same results keep coming out.
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