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    Default Humpty Dumpty, the Text, and the Context

    Quote Originally Posted by Mademoiselle View Post

    Yes, familiar but unexperienced.
    It’s all case by case, and totally depends on how you need to use the subject to select the perfect generalisation level based on you.
    Yes, each level of generalisation has its own specific effects, for instance, if we change the context, we change the meaning of the text, of course this flies in the face of the belief that author creates the meaning of the text.

    And on Typology Central members complain when I change the context of their text, not realising the meaning of electronic text is the electronic reply, and my reply is often to change the context, but this is against the rules of literacy, not realising that literacy is now merely the content of electronic text. Look, you are now reading etext and the content is text.

    So as you quite rightly say the possibility exists to tailor the levels of generalisations to our wants and needs. All we need to do is let go the shiboliths of literacy.

    And as Humpty Dumpty said, the only question is who is to be master, the text or the context.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    And as Humpty Dumpty said, the only question is who is to be master, the text or the context.

    I’ve always wondered how to set the focus level.
    Even yet I haven’t figured out the answer but all I do:
    When the situation is ordinary and the speaker is ordinary…
    If you’re a sensor, pick context.
    If you’re intuitive, pick the text.
    This won’t cause problems.
    Imagine this is the best thing you've ever read.

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    Default Sacred and Profane Texts and Contexts

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    I’ve always wondered how to set the focus level.
    Even yet I haven’t figured out the answer but all I do:
    When the situation is ordinary and the speaker is ordinary…
    If you’re a sensor, pick context.
    If you’re intuitive, pick the text.
    This won’t cause problems.
    In fact text and context are in dynamic relation to one another.

    On the other hand the text in the Koran is sui generis. The text in the Koran is independent of context because it is the unalterable word of Allah for all time and for all peoples.

    And in the Bible the word is in the beginning, and the word is God so the Biblical word is also independent of context.

    In fact we could make the claim that all sacred texts are independent of context, and this is what makes them sacred.

    But in the profane world, text and context are dynamically related, text and context dance with each other, even begetting further contexts.

    So the sacred text is the wall flower, while the profane texts dance to their heart's content.

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    I like you mr. Mole. This is great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    In fact text and context are in dynamic relation to one another.

    On the other hand the text in the Koran is sui generis. The text in the Koran is independent of context because it is the unalterable word of Allah for all time and for all peoples.

    And in the Bible the word is in the beginning, and the word is God so the Biblical word is also independent of context.

    In fact we could make the claim that all sacred texts are independent of context, and this is what makes them sacred.

    But in the profane world, text and context are dynamically related, text and context dance with each other, even begetting further contexts.

    So the sacred text is the wall flower, while the profane texts dance to their heart's content.
    Don’t worry, Alla’s words are perfect:
    -We already know what we need, although it’s meaning holds full knowledge of everything, so we don’t have to get it all.

    -We’re responsible of what we know, thus, no judgment unless we know and we can not a mistake.

    -So there are three things we can do:
    >Do good things: reward.
    >Do mistakes: punishment/forgiveness.
    >Avoid mistakes: Avoid punishment.

    -We can possibly end up in:
    ~Heaven if: good things you did>bad things you did
    Duration: forever
    ~Hell if: good things you did<bad things you did
    Duration: depends and every stage has forgiveness case by case.
    ~And there’s somewhere for a group of people who done equally good and bad things.
    Duration: ??

    -Of course responsibility starts once you’re acknowledged correctly.
    for example, if someone doesn’t know, no punishment.
    Also if someone is incorrectly told, no punishment.

    Thus,
    No need to worry.
    Another problem I should clarify with the light of knowledge?
    Imagine this is the best thing you've ever read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mademoiselle View Post
    Don’t worry, Alla’s words are perfect
    Tell that to an Islamic sex slave who dare not look you in the eye.

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    On one hand we are told by a good muslim that Allah's words are perfect, but once we change the context, we change the meaning.

    For example, if we tell an Islamic sex slave that Allah's words are perfect, we change the meaning of the words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    Tell that to an Islamic sex slave who dare not look you in the eye.

    I’m not sure what you mean, such thing is not islamic anyway.
    Imagine this is the best thing you've ever read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    On one hand we are told by a good muslim that Allah's words are perfect, but once we change the context, we change the meaning.

    For example, if we tell an Islamic sex slave that Allah's words are perfect, we change the meaning of the words.

    I meant what I said the way I intended.
    Changing the meaning of my words makes it turn to other words that are no longer mine.
    Imagine this is the best thing you've ever read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mademoiselle View Post

    I’m not sure what you mean, such thing is not islamic anyway.
    Islamists in the Middle East and Africa are religiously carring out the commands of Allah in the Koran. One of those commands is the killing of Kafir and the taking of their young women into sexual slavery.

    The Islamists are carrying out the pure form of Islam for which they will be rewarded for ever in Heaven.

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