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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilateral Entry View Post
    You never seen MEAAAAN motherfuckers who are just mean as fuck, angry, bitter?
    Would you call them trolls?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    I take quite a lot of personal interest in this due to my burning hatred of internet (and irl) trolls and desire to purge the world of them.
    I know what you mean. I have a dark side to myself too. When I get really pissed, I can have dark destructive fantasies. But, that is only a small part of me. I don't seriously endeavor to go after people who really piss me off. I know that it does not lead anywhere good. There are always going to be assholes who behave like assholes. You're going to be forever pissed off trying to ostracize ALL OF THEM, because they're like bacteria, they're everywhere and they just multiply.

    Don't waste your talent, your intelligence, your emotions, and your precious time on this. Don't feed this part of yourself. It takes time and energy away from all the good things that you're doing.

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    Would you call them trolls?
    Uh, yeah. If they're intentionally trying to stir up a fuss and piss people off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilateral Entry View Post
    I know what you mean. I have a dark side to myself too. When I get really pissed, I can have dark destructive fantasies. But, that is only a small part of me. I don't seriously endeavor to go after people who really piss me off. I know that it does not lead anywhere good. There are always going to be assholes who behave like assholes. You're going to be forever pissed off trying to ostracize ALL OF THEM, because they're like bacteria, they're everywhere and they just multiply.

    Don't waste your talent, your intelligence, your emotions, and your precious time on this. Don't feed this part of yourself. It takes time and energy away from all the good things that you're doing.
    I know. Part of this is from my past experiences. I understand that my resources are limited and I do my best to contain and shrug off when I can't do any effective about a problem that I see. The problems arise when I am forced to be in constant proximity to these kinds of people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilateral Entry View Post
    Uh, yeah. If they're intentionally trying to stir up a fuss and piss people off.
    I think my perception of trolls is very different to yours. I stop considering people trolls when they become very personal and make it there mission to abuse people or repeat the same hate speech over and over again. However if all they're doing is being hostile, inciting anger and being disruptive to a conversation then they are trolls and easy to ignore (therefore essentially harmless regardless of what they say).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptive View Post
    I think my perception of trolls is very different to yours. I stop considering people trolls when they become very personal and make it there mission to abuse people or repeat the same hate speech over and over again. However if all they're doing is being hostile, inciting anger and being disruptive to a conversation then they are trolls and easy to ignore (therefore essentially harmless regardless of what they say).
    This is precisely why in studies the definition of a troll needs to be set, and while I personally think the one in the study is very narrow, it's one that everyone can get on board with.

    I actually see a troll as someone that creates discord, discomfort and upset around them, regardless if that is what they are trying to do or not. Essentially, intent does't matter; if their actions result in the response and result one would get from a classic troll as defined in the study, then they are indeed a troll. A good example: Ann Coulter. Widely regarded as a troll. There is debate over whether or not she actually means what she says. Does her authenticity change anything? In my opinion, no. Still a troll no matter how it's sliced.

    I think that it starts to become a semantics argument, and maybe different types if trolls need to be fleshed out to break up the groups on how they are considered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    I actually see a troll as someone that creates discord, discomfort and upset around them, regardless if that is what they are trying to do or not. Essentially, intent does't matter; if their actions result in the response and result one would get from a classic troll as defined in the study, then they are indeed a troll. A good example: Ann Coulter. Widely regarded as a troll. There is debate over whether or not she actually means what she says. Does her authenticity change anything? In my opinion, no. Still a troll no matter how it's sliced.

    Your perception of trolls corresponds with the set definition: a person who submits a deliberately provocative posting... intended to incite an angry response, however it doesn't take intent into account. For me, intent is important since my impression is based of off the original conception of trolls where intent was the difference between a troll and a spiteful person. I wonder whether people subscribe to the set definition or original conception? It'd be a good question to ask.


    I think that it starts to become a semantics argument, and maybe different types if trolls need to be fleshed out to break up the groups on how they are considered.
    I agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    I actually see a troll as someone that creates discord, discomfort and upset around them, regardless if that is what they are trying to do or not. Essentially, intent does't matter; if their actions result in the response and result one would get from a classic troll as defined in the study, then they are indeed a troll.
    There exists already a wide variety of words to describe annoying people. You can use all of these to label the people that irritate you in social situations. Trolling, on the other hand, is defined as intentional annoyance. It makes all the difference. To use the word 'troll' to describe people who 'create discord, discomfort and upset around them regardless of whether that is what they are trying to do or not' is to misuse the word.
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    troll is someone who purposely wreaks havoc. I find a lot of people misuse the term to describe someone they don't like or simply find annoying, or even don't understand.
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    that is all

    i dunno what else to say so

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    Quote Originally Posted by elfred View Post
    Based on what you quoted in the topic post, it seems that the study has a narrow definition of troll, in comparison to the broad, cultural definition that is attached to the word. In their usage of the word, I don't find their conclusions surprising. However, I think many would consider many forms of 'trolling' to not be sadistic.
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    Trolling is a tool. It can be used for many different reasons to many different ends. Yes, Machiavellianism.
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    We can't have a good story without villains.
    This. I've seen a lot of different trolls, some to annoy, some to shed light on things. It is definitely a tool.

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    Interesting to see it measured. Gonna have to pull up the full article later today.
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