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    2.6 on I/E and 55 on covert narcissism. Interesting perspective. Not sure I see the article's take as the only way to look at this but I do appreciate its goal of to isolating the variable. I noticed on the narcissism test that I am very sensitive to others' opinions, which yields high narcissism scores, but feel a lot of kinship, which resulted in more low scores.

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    It goes over a lot of misconceptions about introversion. Unfortunately, it falls into the snare of making introversion sound very undesirable, IMO. And it seems to define "happiness" based on an extroverted experience of emotional highs. I wish they would use a different word for that, as "happiness" is arguably not an emotional response...

    I also think the author of the article doesn't fully grasp Jung's theory...which is about the ego, not just "energy" and motivation. It's about your sense of self - do you experience your identity via your "inner contents" or how you are in relation to the object? A lot of pseudo introverts define themselves a lot in relation to the object - how they act/feel towards people & social things. The article is right that introverts may experience this more neutrally than negative, because the sense of self is less tied to it (ie. the Introverted Feeling description notes we "resist" affect from the object).

    When you hear an introvert describe themselves, they often define their identity by their inner feelings & thoughts & ideas, not their outer behavior. I can see how this may get confused with narcissism - appearing self-absorbed. But I think it's more about how you form your identity, not necessarily about finding yourself fascinating.

    The article does touch on the reason many ENxx could mistype as introverted; I've noticed how a lot of ideas about introversion and intuition get mixed up. People may identify as introverts when really just intuitive or intuitive when really just introverted. A fair amount of ISxx could mistype as intuitive for this reason (ie. hyper sensitivity to strong sensory stimuli, something I've seen a lot of ISTJ complain about).

    My introversion score: 2.25 (solidly on the introverted side)

    Covert Narcissism - 59 (an average score)

    Pretty typical introvert it looks like...
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    And it seems to define "happiness" based on an extroverted experience of emotional highs.
    That's just the extroverts looking for their keys over here beneath the streetlamp, instead of in that dark corner where they dropped them.
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    Thanks for the JS implementation. Makes life a lot easier.

    Also agreed that there's way too much word-definition overloading. Conversations are meaningless if we're all actually talking about different things.


    I/E: 4.05
    MCNS: Avg. 2.52, Sum 58.

    So pretty extroverted, moderately narcissistic. Seems legit.
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    Best article I've read yet on introversion. It explains the disconnect I've alwaysnoticed in social situations with extroverts where I seem to be missing something really important. I've been observing the conversations I've had all weekend and there does seem to be some form of reward involved, which I guess I've always either overlooked or become annoyed at in extreme situations because it's never made any sense to me before.

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    3.25

    i don't like to influence or take charge very often. i think that may be a perceiver trait. although i'm excitable, friendly, and show my emotions, i do tend to be a little distant. i attribute that to e7 mostly. i don't like to get too invested in one place at the risk of sacrificing my freedom of choice.
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    2.65. I'm pretty enthusiastic though, so I didn't expect to be so low.

    68 on covert narcissism.
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    Extroversion and introversion are imaginary constructs like angels or the trinity.

    And being imaginary contracts they don't actually exist. So there is no scientific definition.

    But this has not stopped us from arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, or rationalising the three headed god.

    Also there are whole tranches who believe the bible is literally true, when it is in fact theology. In the same way there is a whole cult who believes intoversion and extroversion are literally true, and have a scientific definition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    Extroversion and introversion are imaginary constructs like angels or the trinity.

    And being imaginary contracts they don't actually exist. So there is no scientific definition.

    But this has not stopped us from arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, or rationalising the three headed god.

    Also there are whole tranches who believe the bible is literally true, when it is in fact theology. In the same way there is a whole cult who believes intoversion and extroversion are literally true, and have a scientific definition.
    There is a huge difference between abstract ideas (which are "imaginary constructs") and belief in the existence of aspects of reality that cannot be proven to exist. Under the former, we might classify the whole of mathematics: that not only are imaginary numbers imaginary, but also real numbers, along with every concept from 1+1=2 on up. Under the latter we might classify modern string theory or the various interpretations of quantum mechanics.

    Things can have real and valid scientific definitions, and yet not be true or real. E.g., the aether. Things can have no real or valid scientific definition, and yet be entirely valid and true, e.g., that the following video is sickeningly cute:


    In order to prove that others are using sloppy thinking, one needs to do better than commit huge category errors that demonstrate one's own sloppy thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uumlau View Post
    In order to prove that others are using sloppy thinking, one needs to do better than commit huge category errors that demonstrate one's own sloppy thinking.
    Looks like I have touched a nerve.

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