Having pets/children and not taking care of them

[prplchknz]

why would you?

ok I'm not putting children and pets on the same level, I'm just saying both of those if you have them shouldn't you actually take care of them?

I have no desire for kids, but if I ended up with one I'd raise and take care of it to the best of my ability.

I'm taking care of a dog right now, that kinda got dropped in my lap. I love the dog, but I didn't sign up or agree to take care of him. I'm doing it because the owner is a selfish cunt, and he's a living thing and deserves to be taken care of.

Oh and I'm probably moving out before I get evicted because of her shitty incapability to pay rent. What are the consequences of dog napping?

 

[skylights]

Depends on if they find you.

Just kidding. You can report her for neglect/abuse.

 

[Lady_X]

try asking. she might let you.

 

[prplchknz]

try asking. she might let you.

doubt it

 

[chickpea]

same thing happened to my best friend. her roommate impulsively bought a puppy, and it was only a month before she lost interest. her boyfriend won't let her bring the puppy to his house, so my friend has become completely responsible for it, and she already ended up with her ex-boyfriend's puppy so it's way too much for her.

 

[prplchknz]

same thing happened to my best friend. her roommate impulsively bought a puppy, and it was only a month before she lost interest. her boyfriend won't let her bring the puppy to his house, so my friend has become completely responsible for it, and she already ended up with her ex-boyfriend's puppy so it's way too much for her.

every once in awhile I'll be like "hmm a puppy might be nice" then I think about it more and realize i don't want the responsibility

 

[Amargith]

Document her neglect and report her if she isn't willing to give up the animal.

People like that really deserve to have 'animal abuser' tattooed on their forehead and those that still give them an animal after that should be sued. This is why there should be licensing and follow-ups wrt to adopting animals.

 

[prplchknz]

Document her neglect and report her if she isn't willing to give up the animal.

People like that really deserve to have 'animal abuser' tattooed on their forehead and those that still give them an animal after that should be sued. This is why there should be licensing and follow-ups wrt to adopting animals.

how do i do that?

I mean she semi-takes care of him it's not complete neglect it's just she leaves him alone for hours on end and rarely takes him out. she works 2 jobs which is fine they're part time. but the thing is she'd rather go get fucked up with people instead of actually doing stuff with him. basically he doesn't get the stimulation he needs from her.

 

[Amargith]

how do i do that?

I mean she semi-takes care of him it's not complete neglect it's just she leaves him alone for hours on end and rarely takes him out. she works 2 jobs which is fine they're part time. but the thing is she'd rather go get fucked up with people instead of actually doing stuff with him. basically he doesn't get the stimulation he needs from her.

Yeah, that unfortunately is a problem that the law is woefully antiquated on - it doesn't recognise psychological abuse of animals, at least not in my home country. Not sure how elaborate that is in the States though.

Is there *any* chance she just isn't aware of the fact that a dog cannot be alone because it goes against their nature? That they have to be taught that being away from their pack is no biggie? And for that matter, depending on the breed, that being let out is vital to their psychological wellbeing and your shared furniture? Coz I guarantee you that if that animal doesn't get what it needs, it's going to start taking care of those needs itself which usually means property destruction - anything to appease and take your mind off of being anxious coz you're alone and have too much energy that you don't know what to do with.

 

[prplchknz]

Yeah, that unfortunately is a problem that the law is woefully antiquated on - it doesn't recognise psychological abuse of animals, at least not in my home country. Not sure how elaborate that is in the States though.

Is there *any* chance she just isn't aware of the fact that a dog cannot be alone because it goes against their nature? That they have to be taught that being away from their pack is no biggie? And for that matter, depending on the breed, that being let out is vital to their psychological wellbeing and your shared furniture? Coz I guarantee you that if that animal doesn't get what it needs, it's going to start taking care of those needs itself which usually means property destruction - anything to appease and take your mind off of being anxious coz you're alone and have too much energy that you don't know what to do with.

that;s probably why he destroys things in the house

 

[Amargith]

that;s probably why he destroys things in the house

Pretty much. Talk her at least into getting him a kong or something. Sigh.

For that matter, you might be able to threaten her with suing for property damage due to her dog and convince her that way to give up the animal. Though just how...smart that is, is debatable.

See if you can get her to research a bit - google environmental enrichment for dogs, and find out the hows and why's a dog has specific needs - if she's anywhere near a good person, she'll hopefully understand that she is seriously causing him a lot of anxiety and boredom which ultimately leads to chronic stress and depression in the long run - not to mention a destroyed home.

 

[prplchknz]

Pretty much. Talk her at least into getting him a kong or something. Sigh.

For that matter, you might be able to threaten her with suing for property damage due to her dog and convince her that way to give up the animal. Though just how...smart that is, is debatable.

See if you can get her to research a bit - google environmental enrichment for dogs, and find out the hows and why's a dog has specific needs - if she's anywhere near a good person, she'll hopefully understand that she is seriously causing him a lot of anxiety and boredom which ultimately leads to chronic stress and depression in the long run - not to mention a destroyed home.

he has soo many toys and i spend hours playing with him when we're together but he still gets stuff that isn't is.

the thing is I'm beginning to doubt she is a good person at all.

 

[Amargith]

he has soo many toys and i spend hours playing with him when we're together but he still gets stuff that isn't is.

the thing is I'm beginning to doubt she is a good person at all.

That sounds like he may need some retraining on that then. It's not uncommon for dogs to pick up these habits early one and keep at them even after having their own stuff, I believe (Im more specialised in cats). On top of that, if he identified her as his master, the separation anxiety might be too much to not destroy stuff. Crate training and a kong could help, as would building up the amount of time she is gone, while rewarding him for being good when she gets home.

...but yeah, that requires a cooperative owner. One willing to invest time and energy in the animal they chose to form a bond with and adopt.

 

[prplchknz]

That sounds like he may need some retraining on that then. It's not uncommon for dogs to pick up these habits early one and keep at them even after having their own stuff, I believe (Im more specialised in cats). On top of that, if he identified her as his master, the separation anxiety might be too much to not destroy stuff. Crate training and a kong could help, as would building up the amount of time she is gone, while rewarding him for being good when she gets home.

...but yeah, that requires a cooperative owner. One willing to invest time and energy in the animal they chose to form a bond with and adopt.

she is vehemently against crate training, i've brought it up. it's pretty much a no-go

 

[Amargith]

she is vehemently against crate training, i've brought it up. it's pretty much a no-go

Coz god forbid he has a safe place to call his own?

Btw, purps, it's amazing that you're willing to step in and let this dog vent off some of the anxiety she's causing him by giving him the attention and playtime he clearly craves

 

[prplchknz]

Coz god forbid he has a safe place to call his own?

Btw, purps, it's amazing that you're willing to step in and let this dog vent off some of the anxiety she's causing him by giving him the attention and playtime he clearly craves

oh yeah, well i can't just ignore things like that

 

[prplchknz]

I told her what happened with the dog last night and she felt really bad, I don't think realized that was going to happen. So she told me (we'll see if this actually happens) that when she drops her scooter off she'll come in for a minute.

 

[kyuuei]

Some people just view animals differently. Some people think that that IS being nice to the dog--giving it food, and shelter, when it could be starving in the street in un-climate controlled areas and such. I know it's very common in the more Mexican parts of town here for dogs to just be outside dogs with no vet care or shots or anything--just outdoor dogs that guard the property and serve as living, breathing alarms with the occasional garbage disposal duty and sometimes petting. It isn't that they don't like the dog--they clearly do--but the culture about how dogs are/should be treated is really quite different. There's a distance between owners and dogs.. it is part of the family--but the way a car is part of the family. Valued, but disposable and property nonetheless. Several countries think of dogs as little more than food or scavengers.. and the dogs I saw in Uganda, Honduras, and Djibouti were vastly vastly different from the dogs I see here in Houston.

It's hard for me to see people get a pet and then not spend any time with it--what's the point? But there are people that get stuck with dogs they never asked for, because they didn't want it to die.. there are people who got a dog, then developed allergies to it (my cat ran off because I stopped bonding with it because I developed an allergy to it.. I couldn't help it.. when we moved, she had nothing and no one to be attached to, and ran away.. it breaks my heart she did, but what can I do?) and don't bond anymore. There are people who would rather shoot their own pets than take them to be euthanized. The opinion on how to 'care' for a dog is really large and stretched.

To be honest, I don't think you have enough evidence there for neglect pursuit. I'd either resolve to take the dog and get it proper training via asking the girl for the dog, and if that doesn't work then threatening her with property damage issues and neglect calls... Or I'd distance myself from the situation entirely. Which is the one I'd do personally. You can't save the world.. not everyone is as loving and caring of dogs as some.